If the courts are going to continue to deny the legal right to same sex marriage with procreation as one of the reasons it stands to reason to deny opposite sex marriages on the same basis. The woman I love has said she doesn’t want to have children. My gay friends obviously can not have children together. When I propose to my girlfriend I have made the choice to not have children with the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. When my gay friend proposes to his boyfriend, he has made the choice to not have children with the person he wants to spend the rest of my life with. The courts have decided that his decision is grounds for blocking a legal marriage, but mine is not. Why?

Back on the subject of the emotional side of marriage, why do we need the government to put its stamp of approval on our love? Do we need to get a city permit to date? I have friends who I consider my family. Do I need get something from the state capitol to invite them over for Thanksgiving dinner? My former step-dad didn’t properly file his and mother’s divorce papers so they were never legally divorced. Technically that mean she her current “husband” aren’t legally married. While this does complicate things legally, does it make them love each other any less? Does it cheapen their commitment at all? If they were religious there might be some implications but all those concerns exist outside of the legal realm. And that is where they belong.

In response, Jack and Mary are proposing that Bob should have his registration revoked if he pours gas into a plastic bag while pretending to fill the tank, and the same goes for Joe when he pulls the nozzle out and sprays it all over the back of his car. Naturally, Bob and Joe would not go for this, so Jack and Mary would be free to register their cars and fuel them as they see fit… at least until Bob and Joe meet them in a dark alley just outside the alternative gas station with baseball bats.

So, “is Bob or Joe bigoted?” I would have to say yes, as they have an irrational desire to interfere in the lives of Jack and Mary over matters that clearly do not affect them. They have every right to wonder why Jack and Mary do what they do and even think that they are strange, but when they act against them because of what they do not understand, it is an act of hatred and ignorance.

Bob and Joe can quote their User’s Manual until they are blue in the face. Jack and Mary’s cars are different models (possibly even fish tanks, but that level of analogy mixed with paraphrase may be so drastic that it could confuse some) and may not have even come with User’s Manuals and, furthermore, they are not legally bound to follow Bob and Joe’s User’s Manual. And while the authors of this User’s Manual may have known that you need to put gas in the tank to drive the car and many other tidbits of automotive wisdom, it seems unlikely they knew much about the Engineer or the intended use of a car.

Do I think Jack and Mary are doing the right thing? Do I think they are especially clever? Whatever. Perhaps, the determination to grow and prosper has become so rare that it seems like a novelty. If they didn’t do something would they even exist?

I’ve seen confusions before Tany, but yours is really bad! “Lets take your example of a cat and pretend it’s a monkey and then imagine that Dan said some things he didn’t and base my arguement on that!”

Good lord girl – figure out where you are and what you’re looking at!

To give you a translation that hopefully you’ll understand:

If you think my plumbing will only work with a man, you’re wrong. It works great with a woman, and with a man it makes me want to throw the heck up. What man should be with me? What man would you wish that on? If you think gay marriage or gay sex is so horrible- then don’t have a gay marriage or gay sex. And if someone else does have these things in their lives and are fulfilled by them and live happily, with harmony, and with full physical, medical, and financial access to one another just like any other family– and have the ability to take care of one another– who are you to deny that?

By the way, I agree with your opinion on it taking guts to confront officials with their own words.

But anyway, back to the proposal itself.
Ingenious idea. It takes guts to take what high officials say and throw it back in their faces.

@Myke:
Why is it so easy for you to assume I believe ANYTHING when I have not stated any beliefs?

@LISA:
Who are you to say I said something I didn’t? Learn to read – my post says nothing about anything “being wrong”.

The real truth is that the argument is not on relegion, marriage, or what’s best for kids. It’s not about procreation, HIV, or any of those things. It’s simply a war to keep the status quo, and people will fabricate whatever arguments they can to try to stay entrenched.

I do not pretend to have all the facts, but I do know that be you gay or straight, engaging in unsafe-sex is just that – unsafe, and as far as I can understand, is one of the leading causes of HIV; that and of course anal relaxants or “poppers”, and the sharing of intravenus or simply unclean drugs (and a lot of drugs aren’t as clean as you’d think for those of you who common the Amsterdam-lifestyle.

Oh and for Lisa, we’re supposed to be the most intelligent species on Earth; so just because my dog gets his kicks from mounting company and rattling them silly before their tea’s cooled, doesn’t mean I’m going to follow his example. Again, not saying that people shouldn’t be able to do what they like, I just thought it was a rediculous argument.

True: a modern-day marriage is not what it was hundreds of years ago. It is a tradition, and in many cultures a symbol or gesture between two people who intend on spending the rest of their lives together. In other words it is a declaration to their friends, family, community, the world, and each other that their relationship is serious, and won’t be seeking out any new relationships. So personally, i don’t understand what people are getting so bent out of shape for.

And one more question: How does adoption figure into all of this?