<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Undercover &#8211; Stolen Mac recovery story</title>
	<atom:link href="http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:44:17 -0600</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-401210</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-401210</guid>
		<description>For what it is worth the story of the laptop recovery is true. John, not his real name of course, is one of my college buddies. I saw the unaltered pics and data. We will soon have it on all our laptops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth the story of the laptop recovery is true. John, not his real name of course, is one of my college buddies. I saw the unaltered pics and data. We will soon have it on all our laptops.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ted Jordan</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-400742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-400742</guid>
		<description>There will NEVER be a perfect security system.  That&#039;s what PROFESSIONAL criminals do.

They look for weaknesses.

Like my buddy says, most security systems are setup to stop the &quot;honest&quot; thieves :-)

And most thieves are goofballs, not computer experts like most of us.  All stolen laptops
will never be found but tools like these get most of them back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will NEVER be a perfect security system.  That&#8217;s what PROFESSIONAL criminals do.</p>
<p>They look for weaknesses.</p>
<p>Like my buddy says, most security systems are setup to stop the &#8220;honest&#8221; thieves :-)</p>
<p>And most thieves are goofballs, not computer experts like most of us.  All stolen laptops<br />
will never be found but tools like these get most of them back.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-390864</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-390864</guid>
		<description>in response to half the people posting on here:
 they tell you how to make it so they cant reformat without the admin password. and eventually it will be connected to the internet.. friends, family, look what time we are in.. who doesnt have some type of connection? and when it does the pic gets sent., they dont start taking the pics till you tell them it was stolen.. someone else is like they have to gain trust.. how are they going to do that if people like you keep bitching about it.. you dont know how it works, what they do, if they watch you.. give them time.. and their trust will be earned.. and why is it when a great program comes out.. everyone is like.. oh its fake, its fake..  Viper.. the car alarm thing are in business.. thats just an alarm.. beep beep.. they can still smash a window before it goes off.. then run and you have a messed up car.. atleast this one takes pics/screen shots.. $40 is a small price to pay IF they  can get back my $2,500 laptop.. im deff. getting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in response to half the people posting on here:<br />
 they tell you how to make it so they cant reformat without the admin password. and eventually it will be connected to the internet.. friends, family, look what time we are in.. who doesnt have some type of connection? and when it does the pic gets sent., they dont start taking the pics till you tell them it was stolen.. someone else is like they have to gain trust.. how are they going to do that if people like you keep bitching about it.. you dont know how it works, what they do, if they watch you.. give them time.. and their trust will be earned.. and why is it when a great program comes out.. everyone is like.. oh its fake, its fake..  Viper.. the car alarm thing are in business.. thats just an alarm.. beep beep.. they can still smash a window before it goes off.. then run and you have a messed up car.. atleast this one takes pics/screen shots.. $40 is a small price to pay IF they  can get back my $2,500 laptop.. im deff. getting it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-388646</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 02:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-388646</guid>
		<description>DOV: If you take a look at the Orbicule website, the program&#039;s detailed explaination ( http://www.orbicule.com/undercover/works.html ) (read the last sentance under the last heading), explains that if you have Apple&#039;s Firmware Password, then that prevents anyone from formatting the machine without the proper password.

What if the theif DOESN&#039;T connect to the internet? Well, yes, that is a problem. But chances are that he/she will. Most people who steal (not all) would not just do it for the Macbook&#039;s iLife programs. Very few people PURCHASE the machine and plan not to use the web.

Personally, I think that it&#039;s an excellent program. I was planning on purchasing a Macbook pro in a few weeks, which is a HUGE investment for a Highschooler. 2 grand is a lot of money, and $40 for a program that can help get it back to you when stolen is a more than worthy program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOV: If you take a look at the Orbicule website, the program&#8217;s detailed explaination ( <a href="http://www.orbicule.com/undercover/works.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.orbicule.com/undercover/works.html</a> ) (read the last sentance under the last heading), explains that if you have Apple&#8217;s Firmware Password, then that prevents anyone from formatting the machine without the proper password.</p>
<p>What if the theif DOESN&#8217;T connect to the internet? Well, yes, that is a problem. But chances are that he/she will. Most people who steal (not all) would not just do it for the Macbook&#8217;s iLife programs. Very few people PURCHASE the machine and plan not to use the web.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that it&#8217;s an excellent program. I was planning on purchasing a Macbook pro in a few weeks, which is a HUGE investment for a Highschooler. 2 grand is a lot of money, and $40 for a program that can help get it back to you when stolen is a more than worthy program.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dogcow</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-316326</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogcow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-316326</guid>
		<description>If you have open firmware or efi password protected on a mac, you cannot start in firewire disk mode until you circumvent these protections.
So removing the hard drive still makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have open firmware or efi password protected on a mac, you cannot start in firewire disk mode until you circumvent these protections.<br />
So removing the hard drive still makes sense.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-316286</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-316286</guid>
		<description>Lol reset a Mac&#039;s BIOS password? Remove the drive so you can do with it what you want?

Just start the thing in firewire target mode, that way you can snoop the drive for tasty information tidbits before wiping.  

Also, just a question for any of you, would you really want this laptop back after someone was using it on the pot? I think theives may deliberately use the laptop on the pot just for this reason!

This story is just an ad, and should be removed from Digg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol reset a Mac&#8217;s BIOS password? Remove the drive so you can do with it what you want?</p>
<p>Just start the thing in firewire target mode, that way you can snoop the drive for tasty information tidbits before wiping.  </p>
<p>Also, just a question for any of you, would you really want this laptop back after someone was using it on the pot? I think theives may deliberately use the laptop on the pot just for this reason!</p>
<p>This story is just an ad, and should be removed from Digg.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-315858</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-315858</guid>
		<description>What an idiot!  First he turns on the laptop near an internet connection... AND he doesn&#039;t cover the camera!?!  Yikes!  I wouldn&#039;t get the service... i use mine around competent computer users who would know how to steal a computer so the service would do me no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an idiot!  First he turns on the laptop near an internet connection&#8230; AND he doesn&#8217;t cover the camera!?!  Yikes!  I wouldn&#8217;t get the service&#8230; i use mine around competent computer users who would know how to steal a computer so the service would do me no good.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Schnappi</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-315747</link>
		<dc:creator>Schnappi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-315747</guid>
		<description>[ Jerry wrote ]
If anyone had the slightest thought that they would abuse their customers by accessing their machines improperly, they would be out of business within a week.
[ /Jerry ]

Hmm... trust is not something that anyone initially possesses. It is something that has to be *earned*. Until Orbicule *proves* that they are trustworthy, they are not. I see no reason to place any kind of trust into their service, simply because it is the default behaviour. The more is at stake, the more trust is required. My pin codes, passwords, financial records and personal e-mails are far too precious to be readily entrusted to a third party of which I know nothing about (nor can know anything about, since Orbicule has refused my requests for detailed technical specs for their product and the source code). You mileage may, of course, vary.

[ Jerry ]
As for the police not working across international borders, this is a political problem. This company can provide images of the thief, screenshots of what they are doing, the IP address where it is being used, and, with the help if the ISP, the physical address where the computer is connected. What more can you ask for?
[ /Jerry ]

Proof. A solid body of evidence. 

Let me elaborate. Assume that you are the police investigator receiving a report from Orbicule. What kind of credibility does a company that you know nothing about have? *Why* should a privacy of person&#039;s home be violated? On a basis of a single e-mail? How do the police *know* that the snapshot taken is really the picture of a thief?

The investigation is by no means completed. Maybe someone played a practical joke. Maybe the e-mail report is a fake (after all, even such a trivial thing as the e-mail&#039;s authenticity cannot be verified). And suppose the police do find a laptop. What should they do then? There is no reliable piece of information that the police have that contradicts the thief&#039;s statement &quot;it is my laptop&quot;. None (remember, Orbicule carries no credibility by default. The police in a different country has no reliable information that Orbicule is actually a company providing such a service, and not a scam artist). Also, remember that the country&#039;s local ISP is presented with the same conundrum -- they cannot trust an e-mail which asks for a physical address for an IP-address based solely on an e-mail from someone they know nothing about. That information is (fortunately) available through a warrant only. Well, at least in some countries.

There is far more to a potential investigation than simply slapping an e-mail together, and waiting for some divine magic to pour from Orbicule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ Jerry wrote ]<br />
If anyone had the slightest thought that they would abuse their customers by accessing their machines improperly, they would be out of business within a week.<br />
[ /Jerry ]</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; trust is not something that anyone initially possesses. It is something that has to be *earned*. Until Orbicule *proves* that they are trustworthy, they are not. I see no reason to place any kind of trust into their service, simply because it is the default behaviour. The more is at stake, the more trust is required. My pin codes, passwords, financial records and personal e-mails are far too precious to be readily entrusted to a third party of which I know nothing about (nor can know anything about, since Orbicule has refused my requests for detailed technical specs for their product and the source code). You mileage may, of course, vary.</p>
<p>[ Jerry ]<br />
As for the police not working across international borders, this is a political problem. This company can provide images of the thief, screenshots of what they are doing, the IP address where it is being used, and, with the help if the ISP, the physical address where the computer is connected. What more can you ask for?<br />
[ /Jerry ]</p>
<p>Proof. A solid body of evidence. </p>
<p>Let me elaborate. Assume that you are the police investigator receiving a report from Orbicule. What kind of credibility does a company that you know nothing about have? *Why* should a privacy of person&#8217;s home be violated? On a basis of a single e-mail? How do the police *know* that the snapshot taken is really the picture of a thief?</p>
<p>The investigation is by no means completed. Maybe someone played a practical joke. Maybe the e-mail report is a fake (after all, even such a trivial thing as the e-mail&#8217;s authenticity cannot be verified). And suppose the police do find a laptop. What should they do then? There is no reliable piece of information that the police have that contradicts the thief&#8217;s statement &#8220;it is my laptop&#8221;. None (remember, Orbicule carries no credibility by default. The police in a different country has no reliable information that Orbicule is actually a company providing such a service, and not a scam artist). Also, remember that the country&#8217;s local ISP is presented with the same conundrum &#8212; they cannot trust an e-mail which asks for a physical address for an IP-address based solely on an e-mail from someone they know nothing about. That information is (fortunately) available through a warrant only. Well, at least in some countries.</p>
<p>There is far more to a potential investigation than simply slapping an e-mail together, and waiting for some divine magic to pour from Orbicule.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-315569</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-315569</guid>
		<description>Wow......These are some of the most pessimistic comments I have ever seen. It also amazes me that  some of the posters believe most of the general public who would steal a notebook have the technical skill or knowledge to do any of the steps necessary to make a notebook untraceable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;&#8230;These are some of the most pessimistic comments I have ever seen. It also amazes me that  some of the posters believe most of the general public who would steal a notebook have the technical skill or knowledge to do any of the steps necessary to make a notebook untraceable.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/comment-page-1/#comment-315547</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8711/#comment-315547</guid>
		<description>As someone else raised the point about being watched without knowing... How humorous would it be to be viewing porn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone else raised the point about being watched without knowing&#8230; How humorous would it be to be viewing porn?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
