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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-278880</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how people always say &quot;Vote!&quot; as if it could actually make a difference.  If it *could* make a difference, it&#039;d be illegal.

In order for a vote to matter, the population needs to be educated and informed.  This is clearly NOT the case in the USA (overall literacy scores in the USA are one of the lowest among developed nations, for example).

Add to that the easily hacked/tampered electronic voting systems which Big Brother (primarily republicans) have been so eager to push into common usage.  If I vote, what&#039;s the guarantee that my vote is recorded as I entered it?  What&#039;s my guarantee that it&#039;s even *counted* and not &quot;spoiled&quot; along with 3 million or so other ballots?  There&#039;s no paper trail... how do we perform a manual recount (as opposed to a *machine* recount)? 

Go ahead and yell about the wonders of voting, but when the vote can&#039;t be trusted, and the voting people don&#039;t know what they&#039;re voting for/against, don&#039;t be surprised when things don&#039;t change....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how people always say &#8220;Vote!&#8221; as if it could actually make a difference.  If it *could* make a difference, it&#8217;d be illegal.</p>
<p>In order for a vote to matter, the population needs to be educated and informed.  This is clearly NOT the case in the USA (overall literacy scores in the USA are one of the lowest among developed nations, for example).</p>
<p>Add to that the easily hacked/tampered electronic voting systems which Big Brother (primarily republicans) have been so eager to push into common usage.  If I vote, what&#8217;s the guarantee that my vote is recorded as I entered it?  What&#8217;s my guarantee that it&#8217;s even *counted* and not &#8220;spoiled&#8221; along with 3 million or so other ballots?  There&#8217;s no paper trail&#8230; how do we perform a manual recount (as opposed to a *machine* recount)? </p>
<p>Go ahead and yell about the wonders of voting, but when the vote can&#8217;t be trusted, and the voting people don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re voting for/against, don&#8217;t be surprised when things don&#8217;t change&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-277344</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. It poses the question of privacy, a topic we&#039;re all worried about these days. You say: &quot;Are they willingly handing information over to the government behind usersâ€™ backs?&quot; Doubtful. For one thing, they were the only ones that didn&#039;t hand over user data when AOL, MSN, and Yahoo did. (http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060119-060352)

The real question, the real fear here is not a fear of Google...it&#039;s the fact that our government might be asking Google for this info. What right does the government have to peer into our private lives? A lot these days. The Patriot Act anyone? The government *IS* spying on us (http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att). We need to take action where we can. We need to VOTE! (and support eff!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. It poses the question of privacy, a topic we&#8217;re all worried about these days. You say: &#8220;Are they willingly handing information over to the government behind usersâ€™ backs?&#8221; Doubtful. For one thing, they were the only ones that didn&#8217;t hand over user data when AOL, MSN, and Yahoo did. (<a href="http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060119-060352" rel="nofollow">http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060119-060352</a>)</p>
<p>The real question, the real fear here is not a fear of Google&#8230;it&#8217;s the fact that our government might be asking Google for this info. What right does the government have to peer into our private lives? A lot these days. The Patriot Act anyone? The government *IS* spying on us (<a href="http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att)" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att)</a>. We need to take action where we can. We need to VOTE! (and support eff!)</p>
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		<title>By: Swamp Fox</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-275995</link>
		<dc:creator>Swamp Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The difference with google is that it is a responsible company who has resisted attempts by marketers and government alike to misuse this data.&quot;

Google folds up like a cheap suit when faced with a REAL oppressive government. See:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html

Their motto should actually be  &quot;Don&#039;t be evil unless it&#039;s profitable.&quot; It&#039;s all about the benjamins, baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The difference with google is that it is a responsible company who has resisted attempts by marketers and government alike to misuse this data.&#8221;</p>
<p>Google folds up like a cheap suit when faced with a REAL oppressive government. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html</a></p>
<p>Their motto should actually be  &#8220;Don&#8217;t be evil unless it&#8217;s profitable.&#8221; It&#8217;s all about the benjamins, baby.</p>
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		<title>By: MyVue</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-275746</link>
		<dc:creator>MyVue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Best solution for the above problem - Stop Communicating...
not even an expression on your face that some one can peep 
and take a lasting impression.

Thinking of the next best...
Can we change the way we trust? In trust there should not be 
second thoughts. We have trusted Google as long as it is just a 
search engine but later when it forayed into omni-digital areas - 
second thoughts crop up...true??

Google coercing? -- This is true looking at the acquisitions and 
soaring userbase. Coercing?? -- I dont think so..as I need not be 
forced to beleive in Google - since its revolutionary search engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Best solution for the above problem &#8211; Stop Communicating&#8230;<br />
not even an expression on your face that some one can peep<br />
and take a lasting impression.</p>
<p>Thinking of the next best&#8230;<br />
Can we change the way we trust? In trust there should not be<br />
second thoughts. We have trusted Google as long as it is just a<br />
search engine but later when it forayed into omni-digital areas &#8211;<br />
second thoughts crop up&#8230;true??</p>
<p>Google coercing? &#8212; This is true looking at the acquisitions and<br />
soaring userbase. Coercing?? &#8212; I dont think so..as I need not be<br />
forced to beleive in Google &#8211; since its revolutionary search engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dempsey</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-275722</link>
		<dc:creator>Dempsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing some people don&#039;t get is that privacy and the internet were never meant to go together.  The whole idea behind the internet is for people (originally research institutions of various types) to communicate with each other. Hiding your identity or activity was not a consideration, even though people started doing it early on.  In order to protect privacy as we define it in reality, you won&#039;t have to start with a totally different infrastructure and all new protocols (as far as I understand the technology).

Google is definitely good and bad, but everyone should understand that what you do on the `net is trackable, traceable and recordable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing some people don&#8217;t get is that privacy and the internet were never meant to go together.  The whole idea behind the internet is for people (originally research institutions of various types) to communicate with each other. Hiding your identity or activity was not a consideration, even though people started doing it early on.  In order to protect privacy as we define it in reality, you won&#8217;t have to start with a totally different infrastructure and all new protocols (as far as I understand the technology).</p>
<p>Google is definitely good and bad, but everyone should understand that what you do on the `net is trackable, traceable and recordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-275436</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some degree of anonymity, try the combination of &lt;a href=&quot;http://tor.eff.org/&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TOR&lt;/a&gt; and HTTPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some degree of anonymity, try the combination of <a href="http://tor.eff.org/" title="" rel="nofollow">TOR</a> and HTTPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-275376</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article!
This is basically our reality right now... It really scares me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article!<br />
This is basically our reality right now&#8230; It really scares me!</p>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-274931</link>
		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*, you are right. You can&#039;t use the Internet if you are paranoid. 

You know what? I only started being paranoid because I see articles like &quot;Google = NSA 2.0?&quot; these days. When I didn&#039;t know anything about Privacy Policies and companies keeping backup copies, I wasn&#039;t worried at all. I think majority of the people who use email think that once you delete your emails, it&#039;s gone forever. That&#039;s what I thought 5 years ago, but now, I&#039;m getting paranoid about all this. The more you know, the more things you have to worry about. LOL

I have another question now. Since Dan wrote this article and he &quot;seems&quot; to be very concerned about his privacy online, does he use instant messengers/email/photo sharing services, etc.? What email service(s) does he use for his private/personal (i.e. non-work related) emails? Yahoo?

I see people writing about how they have their own servers and backup all their data there. Do they actually OWN a physical server or do they rent/pay for them from providers like GoDaddy.com?

Even if we all had our own servers, emails are like postcards so anyone can read them.  And encrypting/decrypting is a hassle for most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*, you are right. You can&#8217;t use the Internet if you are paranoid. </p>
<p>You know what? I only started being paranoid because I see articles like &#8220;Google = NSA 2.0?&#8221; these days. When I didn&#8217;t know anything about Privacy Policies and companies keeping backup copies, I wasn&#8217;t worried at all. I think majority of the people who use email think that once you delete your emails, it&#8217;s gone forever. That&#8217;s what I thought 5 years ago, but now, I&#8217;m getting paranoid about all this. The more you know, the more things you have to worry about. LOL</p>
<p>I have another question now. Since Dan wrote this article and he &#8220;seems&#8221; to be very concerned about his privacy online, does he use instant messengers/email/photo sharing services, etc.? What email service(s) does he use for his private/personal (i.e. non-work related) emails? Yahoo?</p>
<p>I see people writing about how they have their own servers and backup all their data there. Do they actually OWN a physical server or do they rent/pay for them from providers like GoDaddy.com?</p>
<p>Even if we all had our own servers, emails are like postcards so anyone can read them.  And encrypting/decrypting is a hassle for most people.</p>
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		<title>By: ClaMs</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-274902</link>
		<dc:creator>ClaMs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Europe, there doesn&#039;t seem to be ANY privacy issues. The only clashes we have with the governments are regarding taxes and other financial or social issues. I cannot remember the last time privacy issues were a topic here.

The ONLY thing that comes to mind is the British issue of the issuing of ID cards to British citizens - the English don&#039;t want it. Sometimes this topic resurfaces every now and then. Other then that our identities are quite safe from the authorities - as far as we know

The problem is that if you&#039;re in Canada or the US and you try to use email accounts in Europe, the data you&#039;re writting is still passing through your ISPs. There is no limit to far you can be srutinised. The ULTIMTE thing to do is set up a satelite link from your house to some minor ISP in an Asian country that won&#039;t even understand the English you use in your emails. Then you&#039;ll have to use and alias, otherwise when you send an email to your American friends, those email providers can still trace you.

-Damn, the internet is surely not for the paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Europe, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be ANY privacy issues. The only clashes we have with the governments are regarding taxes and other financial or social issues. I cannot remember the last time privacy issues were a topic here.</p>
<p>The ONLY thing that comes to mind is the British issue of the issuing of ID cards to British citizens &#8211; the English don&#8217;t want it. Sometimes this topic resurfaces every now and then. Other then that our identities are quite safe from the authorities &#8211; as far as we know</p>
<p>The problem is that if you&#8217;re in Canada or the US and you try to use email accounts in Europe, the data you&#8217;re writting is still passing through your ISPs. There is no limit to far you can be srutinised. The ULTIMTE thing to do is set up a satelite link from your house to some minor ISP in an Asian country that won&#8217;t even understand the English you use in your emails. Then you&#8217;ll have to use and alias, otherwise when you send an email to your American friends, those email providers can still trace you.</p>
<p>-Damn, the internet is surely not for the paranoid.</p>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/8041/comment-page-1/#comment-274891</link>
		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize to Roberto for calling him &quot;Robert&quot;.  I didn&#039;t do it on purpose!

Anyway, I&#039;m also in Canada, but I don&#039;t use the email service provided by my ISP.  I don&#039;t trust them more than I trust Google.  I prefer to merge all my data with the millions of people who use Google &amp; Gmail than a couple of thousand people who use Rogers Cable or Bell, for example.  Just a personal preference.

Can somebody help me answer these questions (I really want to know them, but don&#039;t know who can answer me.):

Is our data safer in Europe? For example, if I use a free email service provided by a French company in France, would my data be safer?  (For example, orange.co.uk or orange.fr)  For example, when you sign-up for Hotmail and select your country (Canada, France, UK - There are different TrustE/Safe Harbor seals.)

All these &quot;privacy&quot; issues are really BIG in USA, but it doesn&#039;t seem so in European countries (like Germany, France, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize to Roberto for calling him &#8220;Robert&#8221;.  I didn&#8217;t do it on purpose!</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m also in Canada, but I don&#8217;t use the email service provided by my ISP.  I don&#8217;t trust them more than I trust Google.  I prefer to merge all my data with the millions of people who use Google &amp; Gmail than a couple of thousand people who use Rogers Cable or Bell, for example.  Just a personal preference.</p>
<p>Can somebody help me answer these questions (I really want to know them, but don&#8217;t know who can answer me.):</p>
<p>Is our data safer in Europe? For example, if I use a free email service provided by a French company in France, would my data be safer?  (For example, orange.co.uk or orange.fr)  For example, when you sign-up for Hotmail and select your country (Canada, France, UK &#8211; There are different TrustE/Safe Harbor seals.)</p>
<p>All these &#8220;privacy&#8221; issues are really BIG in USA, but it doesn&#8217;t seem so in European countries (like Germany, France, etc.).</p>
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