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	<title>Comments on: Agree / Diagree : Keith Olbermann and the beginning of the end of America</title>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7975/comment-page-1/#comment-270731</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olbermann is going the job that more Americans should.  Sometimes when BBC reporters video tape FEMA camps they get arrested though. The Bush Administration has been caught giving 1.6 Billion in kickbacks to Main Stream Media (MSM).  Each contribution was an impeachable offense.

Sadly, this is only the begining.  People just aren&#039;t watching news that isn&#039;t critical of the administration, as demonstrated by recent surveys.

We&#039;re in Iraq for no reason.  Both our troops and our rights are under attack.  One way Hitler kept support for his dictatorship was with such rhetoric about &quot;Supporting the Troops&quot;.  Let&#039;s look at a realistic slogan, &quot;Support out Imperialism&quot;.  Maybe if you believe in the trickle down theory our country will benefit heaps; heh, doubt it.

The Espianage Act, the Military Commisions Act of 2006, the Patriot Act and the Liberty act. These will be used to protect us against terrorists, yes? Under this logic we are in fact the terrorists, as the laws have been used against toy store owners, people who have marijuana in their possesion and 14 year old girls.

Don&#039;t know them, Google it.  The Military Commision Act is said to only apply to aliens.  Reading the actual bill renders this a falsehood.

The wolf is at the door.

We&#039;ll all have a much more keen understanding of this in the future.  Where do you stand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olbermann is going the job that more Americans should.  Sometimes when BBC reporters video tape FEMA camps they get arrested though. The Bush Administration has been caught giving 1.6 Billion in kickbacks to Main Stream Media (MSM).  Each contribution was an impeachable offense.</p>
<p>Sadly, this is only the begining.  People just aren&#8217;t watching news that isn&#8217;t critical of the administration, as demonstrated by recent surveys.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in Iraq for no reason.  Both our troops and our rights are under attack.  One way Hitler kept support for his dictatorship was with such rhetoric about &#8220;Supporting the Troops&#8221;.  Let&#8217;s look at a realistic slogan, &#8220;Support out Imperialism&#8221;.  Maybe if you believe in the trickle down theory our country will benefit heaps; heh, doubt it.</p>
<p>The Espianage Act, the Military Commisions Act of 2006, the Patriot Act and the Liberty act. These will be used to protect us against terrorists, yes? Under this logic we are in fact the terrorists, as the laws have been used against toy store owners, people who have marijuana in their possesion and 14 year old girls.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know them, Google it.  The Military Commision Act is said to only apply to aliens.  Reading the actual bill renders this a falsehood.</p>
<p>The wolf is at the door.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll all have a much more keen understanding of this in the future.  Where do you stand?</p>
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		<title>By: Purple Avenger</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7975/comment-page-1/#comment-269787</link>
		<dc:creator>Purple Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olby needs to up his meds.  I noticed flecks of foam gushing forth during that rabid rant.

&lt;i&gt;I swear, if there isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a democrat in 2008, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m moving to Canada...&lt;/i&gt;

They got some fine press censorship going on up there I&#039;m told.  I&#039;d also be vary wary of a place that has the following phrase in its constitution: &quot;Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize &lt;b&gt;the supremacy of God&lt;/b&gt;...&quot;

That should be like Kryptonite to a moonbat I would think...

No right to trial by peers in Canada either:

&quot;Any person charged with an offence has the right...in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial &lt;b&gt;tribunal;&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olby needs to up his meds.  I noticed flecks of foam gushing forth during that rabid rant.</p>
<p><i>I swear, if there isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a democrat in 2008, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m moving to Canada&#8230;</i></p>
<p>They got some fine press censorship going on up there I&#8217;m told.  I&#8217;d also be vary wary of a place that has the following phrase in its constitution: &#8220;Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize <b>the supremacy of God</b>&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That should be like Kryptonite to a moonbat I would think&#8230;</p>
<p>No right to trial by peers in Canada either:</p>
<p>&#8220;Any person charged with an offence has the right&#8230;in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial <b>tribunal;</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: emory</title>
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		<dc:creator>emory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was gay, I would totally fall in love with this man. Seriously, I Love that the pendulum is FINALLY swinging the otherway. You can just see this administration scattering. It feels good knowing that Kharma/luck/justice is finally coming around to bite them in their ass. It feels so good to see people in the media finally coming forward and saying these things. It&#039;s about god-damned-mother-fucking time to put these criminals in prison and throw away  the key. There wasn&#039;t a single thing he said that I disagree with. 
and @ClaMs, I completely agree. i&#039;ve been drawing parrallels for years about this american bullshit. 
Don&#039;t get me wrong. I love my country. I love the freedoms we [used] to have. I love our constitution. I HATE our administration. I HATE the american belief that we are somehow better than everyone else. I HATE the redneck ignorant son-of-a-bitch that is spouting off racist, ignorant bullshit about how we should just &quot;nuke the rest of the world&quot;. 
I swear, if there isn&#039;t a democrat in 2008, I&#039;m moving to Canada. I don&#039;t believe I could be &lt;i&gt; that &lt;/i&gt; disconnected with my fellow americans. I just refuse to believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was gay, I would totally fall in love with this man. Seriously, I Love that the pendulum is FINALLY swinging the otherway. You can just see this administration scattering. It feels good knowing that Kharma/luck/justice is finally coming around to bite them in their ass. It feels so good to see people in the media finally coming forward and saying these things. It&#8217;s about god-damned-mother-fucking time to put these criminals in prison and throw away  the key. There wasn&#8217;t a single thing he said that I disagree with.<br />
and @ClaMs, I completely agree. i&#8217;ve been drawing parrallels for years about this american bullshit.<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I love my country. I love the freedoms we [used] to have. I love our constitution. I HATE our administration. I HATE the american belief that we are somehow better than everyone else. I HATE the redneck ignorant son-of-a-bitch that is spouting off racist, ignorant bullshit about how we should just &#8220;nuke the rest of the world&#8221;.<br />
I swear, if there isn&#8217;t a democrat in 2008, I&#8217;m moving to Canada. I don&#8217;t believe I could be <i> that </i> disconnected with my fellow americans. I just refuse to believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Rodgers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Rodgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I say anything, I just wanted to say that from now on I&#039;ll be commenting with my full name.  This is just so that if I ever get &quot;caught&quot; saying something I&#039;m not supposed to the government can come and declare me an illegal enemy combatant.

The idea that you can declare your own citizens &quot;illegal enemy combatants&quot; is a disgrace.  If you have been following this issue for a while you would know that there was no law detailing the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody due to the Supreme Court finding the way they were being treated before unconstitutional.  To fill this void they decided to pass this law.  What they don&#039;t see is the fact that it doesn&#039;t exactly fill all the gaps.  Sure, now they get a &quot;trial&quot; of sort, but it&#039;s just a MILITARY tribunal decided upon by the President/Secretary of Defense.  If they decide that the decision or the people in the tribunal, are unsatisfactory, they use pick new people.  That&#039;s of course, if they ever decide to give you one, considering that they can just &quot;disappear&quot; you.  You don&#039;t get a trial, no &quot;phone call,&quot; your family doesn&#039;t know where you are and you pretty much disappear from existence.

You say the &quot;terrorists&quot; are the ones we need to worry about?  Who is to say who these terrorists are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I say anything, I just wanted to say that from now on I&#8217;ll be commenting with my full name.  This is just so that if I ever get &#8220;caught&#8221; saying something I&#8217;m not supposed to the government can come and declare me an illegal enemy combatant.</p>
<p>The idea that you can declare your own citizens &#8220;illegal enemy combatants&#8221; is a disgrace.  If you have been following this issue for a while you would know that there was no law detailing the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody due to the Supreme Court finding the way they were being treated before unconstitutional.  To fill this void they decided to pass this law.  What they don&#8217;t see is the fact that it doesn&#8217;t exactly fill all the gaps.  Sure, now they get a &#8220;trial&#8221; of sort, but it&#8217;s just a MILITARY tribunal decided upon by the President/Secretary of Defense.  If they decide that the decision or the people in the tribunal, are unsatisfactory, they use pick new people.  That&#8217;s of course, if they ever decide to give you one, considering that they can just &#8220;disappear&#8221; you.  You don&#8217;t get a trial, no &#8220;phone call,&#8221; your family doesn&#8217;t know where you are and you pretty much disappear from existence.</p>
<p>You say the &#8220;terrorists&#8221; are the ones we need to worry about?  Who is to say who these terrorists are?</p>
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		<title>By: dov</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7975/comment-page-1/#comment-269467</link>
		<dc:creator>dov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is this big blabla about money and power? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is this big blabla about money and power? :D</p>
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		<title>By: Thor</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7975/comment-page-1/#comment-269416</link>
		<dc:creator>Thor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre Lourens: Just to clarify. Saddam Hussein was pretty secular in his rule. Only recently has he stepped up the religious rhetoric because he thinks it will fuel the conflict. You&#039;re right that he&#039;s pretty radical, though :)

I think the most interesting point Olbermann makes is that of the lack of hindsight. Historically, when civil liberties has been sacrificed to neutralize a threat, the privileges granted the government has been grossly abused, often with no noticable effect on the issue it was supposed to handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre Lourens: Just to clarify. Saddam Hussein was pretty secular in his rule. Only recently has he stepped up the religious rhetoric because he thinks it will fuel the conflict. You&#8217;re right that he&#8217;s pretty radical, though :)</p>
<p>I think the most interesting point Olbermann makes is that of the lack of hindsight. Historically, when civil liberties has been sacrificed to neutralize a threat, the privileges granted the government has been grossly abused, often with no noticable effect on the issue it was supposed to handle.</p>
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		<title>By: xSmurf</title>
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		<dc:creator>xSmurf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dangit, I forgot the link for Protagoras. Well I guess anyone would do just what they need to if they wanna know a bit more and go on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagoras ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dangit, I forgot the link for Protagoras. Well I guess anyone would do just what they need to if they wanna know a bit more and go on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagoras" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagoras</a> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: xSmurf</title>
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		<dc:creator>xSmurf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to go with Jon here, I haven&#039;t followed the recent developments. But I am still fairly informed on US politics and alike. I will not place any judgement on this other than I believe it is necessary for big broadcasters to allow such thing. Education is the true and only key to enlightenment and proper judgement. When Protagoras said &quot;[the] Man is the measure of all things&quot; (I&#039;m unsure if that&#039;s properly translated) it was implicit that he meant &quot;educated Men&quot; and the collectivity. (see: ) And for such a measure to be logical and as close as to the &quot;truth&quot; as possible we cannot let one man stand in front of us and tell us who are the bad people. Did the muslim really do anything to me? If you can think of the person you hate the most, I&#039;m sure most of you will name some high school bully, not Bin Laden, not some guy you&#039;ve never seen or heard. It&#039;s time for people to realize they too can make their own judgement, they too can hold the &quot;truth&quot;. And not only can they do it. but they have the duty to do it. Otherwise we might as well put a bunch of monkeys in a room and they&#039;ll elect the guy who gives them the most bananas and that my friend is not democracy but legalize dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to go with Jon here, I haven&#8217;t followed the recent developments. But I am still fairly informed on US politics and alike. I will not place any judgement on this other than I believe it is necessary for big broadcasters to allow such thing. Education is the true and only key to enlightenment and proper judgement. When Protagoras said &#8220;[the] Man is the measure of all things&#8221; (I&#8217;m unsure if that&#8217;s properly translated) it was implicit that he meant &#8220;educated Men&#8221; and the collectivity. (see: ) And for such a measure to be logical and as close as to the &#8220;truth&#8221; as possible we cannot let one man stand in front of us and tell us who are the bad people. Did the muslim really do anything to me? If you can think of the person you hate the most, I&#8217;m sure most of you will name some high school bully, not Bin Laden, not some guy you&#8217;ve never seen or heard. It&#8217;s time for people to realize they too can make their own judgement, they too can hold the &#8220;truth&#8221;. And not only can they do it. but they have the duty to do it. Otherwise we might as well put a bunch of monkeys in a room and they&#8217;ll elect the guy who gives them the most bananas and that my friend is not democracy but legalize dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Lourens</title>
		<link>http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7975/comment-page-1/#comment-269372</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Lourens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: &quot;You canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t spread democracy at the end of a gun barrel.&quot;
I agree.

ClaMs: &quot;Where one side is blinded by its devotion of Allah, the other is too blinded but by the Stars and Stripes and the call of freedom.&quot;

I disagree with that statement.  The other side is not &#039;blinded&#039; by Allah, they are blinded by their extemist leaders.  Leaders like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are radical Muslims, and they interpret the Islamic religion differently than other Muslims (just like how there are different views on Christianity).  Islam was originally a political religion; it united the Arab people.  Today, still, it s also a political religion, &lt;strong&gt;but&lt;/strong&gt; but the results of this political religion (and the governments that it controls) are because of the leaders, not because of the actual religion.  Nowhere in Allah&#039;s teaching does it specifically say to be a terrorist.  Anything that happens in these theocratic governments is dependable on the interpretation from the leader.  Osama Bin Laden, and other leaders, were bad leaders who used Islam to unite their people, and henceforth interpreted it their way, and later justifying what they did by calling this a jihad--or religious struugle.

whew. end that rant. now. the one other thing I have to say is that all people of the world are naturally hypocritical.  The politicians of America were &#039;preaching&#039; that the genocide happening during the holocaust was immoral and wrong, and that somewhat justified us getting into the war.  AT THE SAME TIME, here on the homeland, Americans were discriminating blacks.  If it was immoral to discriminate against Jews, isn&#039;t it wrong to discriminate blacks? Or Japanese? Or blacks? or Hispanics? or Arabs? or Whites? Yes. I said whites.  Has there been no discrimination against whites from blacks? Yes. there has.

Every race is fighting for the top.  In this country, it has been whites on top most of the time (don&#039;t take that racist, it&#039;s just a fact that whites currently dominate the population and the majority of people who actually vote are white).  In Middle Eastern countries: Arab.  Is this fighting for the top a natural instinct, or is it brought on by the life long wars of our parents?

After all, a war is never won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: &#8220;You canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t spread democracy at the end of a gun barrel.&#8221;<br />
I agree.</p>
<p>ClaMs: &#8220;Where one side is blinded by its devotion of Allah, the other is too blinded but by the Stars and Stripes and the call of freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree with that statement.  The other side is not &#8216;blinded&#8217; by Allah, they are blinded by their extemist leaders.  Leaders like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are radical Muslims, and they interpret the Islamic religion differently than other Muslims (just like how there are different views on Christianity).  Islam was originally a political religion; it united the Arab people.  Today, still, it s also a political religion, <strong>but</strong> but the results of this political religion (and the governments that it controls) are because of the leaders, not because of the actual religion.  Nowhere in Allah&#8217;s teaching does it specifically say to be a terrorist.  Anything that happens in these theocratic governments is dependable on the interpretation from the leader.  Osama Bin Laden, and other leaders, were bad leaders who used Islam to unite their people, and henceforth interpreted it their way, and later justifying what they did by calling this a jihad&#8211;or religious struugle.</p>
<p>whew. end that rant. now. the one other thing I have to say is that all people of the world are naturally hypocritical.  The politicians of America were &#8216;preaching&#8217; that the genocide happening during the holocaust was immoral and wrong, and that somewhat justified us getting into the war.  AT THE SAME TIME, here on the homeland, Americans were discriminating blacks.  If it was immoral to discriminate against Jews, isn&#8217;t it wrong to discriminate blacks? Or Japanese? Or blacks? or Hispanics? or Arabs? or Whites? Yes. I said whites.  Has there been no discrimination against whites from blacks? Yes. there has.</p>
<p>Every race is fighting for the top.  In this country, it has been whites on top most of the time (don&#8217;t take that racist, it&#8217;s just a fact that whites currently dominate the population and the majority of people who actually vote are white).  In Middle Eastern countries: Arab.  Is this fighting for the top a natural instinct, or is it brought on by the life long wars of our parents?</p>
<p>After all, a war is never won.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a network to take such a clear stand on a complicating issue like this. I&#039;m not American, I haven&#039;t really followed the recent developments all that much, so I won&#039;t give an opinion on this, but I have to say, I dislike how Bush governs the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a network to take such a clear stand on a complicating issue like this. I&#8217;m not American, I haven&#8217;t really followed the recent developments all that much, so I won&#8217;t give an opinion on this, but I have to say, I dislike how Bush governs the US.</p>
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