Run MacOS 9 on an Intel Mac
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Who said you can’t use MacOS9 because you have an Intel Mac? It is completely possible with a little bit of tinkering, and a really cool universal application called Sheep Shaver, which came to us via tip from Kazaki. Sheep Shaver is a full speed ‘Classic’ emulator for Windows, Linux, and Intel based Macs, that runs older MacOS’s at shockingly full speed!
For the purposes of this tutorial, we will only illustrate how to run the classic environment on Intel Macs, but you can do this procedure on other OS’es as well. So lets teach your fancy Mactel a new, old trick.
- Download a copy of the universal binary Sheep Shaver and unzip it to a folder on your Mac.
- For the application to emulate the MacOS, you need a ROM for this program to act like a Mac. Thankfully Apple has helped us with this task. On their website they kinda make one available to download. The catch is that you need MacOS 9 to access the ROM, however with a little searching I found a ROM available to download, and fully compatible with Sheep Shaver here. (However if you want to extract your own ROM from the one on Apples server, you need to use TomeViewer)
- After you download the ROM, copy the file into the Sheep Shaver folder
- Open the Sheep Shaver GUI Application
- Click on the Memory/Misc tab, and click browse next to the ROM file field, and locate the MacOS ROM file that you stored in the Sheep Haver folder
- Also bump the MacOS RAM Size to at least 128MB
- The next step is to create a MacOS 9 volume to store your files. Click on the Volumes tab, and click Create.
- Save the new virtual volume to your Sheep Shaver folder, and I would suggest you make the image size at least 200 MB
- Once that is finished put your MacOS 8 or MacOS 9 CD in your Intel Mac and press the Start button. (If you don’t have an old MacOS disc floating around, Apple has an archive of full vintage operating systems available to download)
- Sheep Shaver will now launch the Universal version of Sheep Shaver and you can begin to install your OS
- You only need to run Sheep Shaver GUI once to setup your virtual machine, after that setup you can just simply launch Sheep Shaver
I noticed the speed on this emulator is REALLY fast, and creates a viable operating environment for any of your really old classic applications, also the emulator has access to your MacOS X drive so the exchange of files are really easy. However, sometimes Sheep Shaver required a forced quit to turn off, milage may vary.
Enjoy, and drop a comment to let us know if you have any questions.
The ROM downloads linked in this hint are all provided by Apple, and not hosted on this blog. Update: We ammended the title of the article.
Nice find! Hope this can launch the venerable PageMaker 7. InDesign CS (out of the box) can’t open PM6 or older version files. One has to first open and save the PM file to v.7, then open the PM7 in InDesign.
There must be an easier way.
Has anyone noticed the download link for the OS 9 rom is not working? Where can we find this now?
Thanks!
I have got an iBook Software Installation CD and this one doesn’t work with the emulator. I can start it via CD but when I click Install Software there’s just an error message that this Installation isn’t supported on my Computer. I suggest that the emulator / the installation program recognizes that it isn’t an iBook that I’m runnig the CD on. :-( Damn, I want to play Nanosaur 1!
I really need some help! The more I read, the more confused I become!. I need to be able to run Colorize 3.0 on my IntelMac for my freelance job. Can someone please walk me through? I am definitely not a programmer and I am certain I am older than most of you. I just want to keep doing my job. Can someone help?
Solution to loosing file attributes:
(Somewhat hacked up and lame, but whatever.)
In OSx, using Disk Utility, create a read/write sparseimage.
Copy whatever files you are trying to copy to MacOS9 onto the sparseimage
Select the Sparseimage as an extra harddrive in the SheepShaver preferences.
Works fine for me, I’ve got tons of great classic games running now. (Escape Velocity, Pathways into Darkness, Spaceward Ho!, and all the old Infocom games.)
Could someone please send me a copy of their working ROM if they still have it, because I’m out of any other options.
fryrules101@aol.com
I am having the same initial problem HatrickPatrick had. I am trying to install 8.5 from a disk. SS will boot from the disk, but when I try to run install, it says “This program cannot run on your computer. See the documentation for more information.” Hatrick says he has a fix, but didn’t take time to post it. Can anyone help me with this?
I am having a problem, I installed the original OS 9 from the retail CD and and I used the ROM that was linked at the page, but for some strange reason, Mac OS 9.0 keeps crashing every few minutes when it is in full screen mode. Any ideas?
I have Mac 9.2.2. Is there any other software that would emulate it because Sheep Shaver only supports till 9.0.4.. Any suggestions on how to get it running?
I have delivered a new iMac G5 to a teacher who is still using a few os 9 applications that go with his textbooks. I called Apple today to inquire about running older os 9 applications on the new intel iMac and they directed me to your site so I could download sheepshaver. Success with download but have trouble with the ROM file.
Will you please help me? I have read your info on the website but evidently I am missing
something and will appreciate your help!
Deb
I finally got it to boot! These directions should address both the “This program cannot run on your computer. See the documentation for more information” and “The startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model” errors.
I found that the installer error was likely due to the fact that I was using an install disk that was either 9.1, or was bundled with another laptop. I tried transfering the data straight from the system restore image in the configuration file, but the OS would crash 1/4 into every boot. So here are the steps I took:
1. Make a .dmg image with Disk Utility and save it to your root dir. This is for file transfer. I named mine SSXfer.
2. Follow the directions posted at the top of the page. I copied my Mac OS ROM from the System folder of a laptop running 9.0.
3. I had to increase my Mac OS RAM size to 512MB in the Memory/Misc tab of SheepShaver GUI.
4. Under the Serial/Network tab, change Ethernet interface to “slirp” if you want to network.
5. When “creating a new volume, do not navigate to another dir. It must be saved to the root dir. Under the Volumes tab, after “creating” a new volume for SS install as outlined above, also “add” the disk image created in step 1.
6. If you don’t have a generic install CD, and you are getting refused, try inserting the software restore disk. Restore the software to the volume you “created” from the GUI (not the Xfer image). This is how I got it to install from bundled software.
7. Once restore has finished, click into the classic control panel and change the startup disk to the volume created from the GUI. This should make it look like the system crashes. Well, it shouldn’t make that happen, but it does.
8. You should now be able to open the GUI, change the “Boot From” option to “any,” remove the Software Restore CD, and click start. If it fails during initial boot, restart your entire machine and repeat this step.
9. If it boots from the new volume, you should now be able to launch classic simply by launching SheepShaver (not GUI).
10. Yo can now transfer files to SS by opening the Xfer image we made in step 1. and saving programs to that disk. Just transfer the files, unmount the disk, and relaunch SS.
Notes: I could never get it to boot from any image I made with any thing else (including an .img made with disk copy in classic). I was also never able to boot from a system folder transfered from another machine into any volume of SheepShaver, regardless of how the volume was created. This is true even if the files transfered into SS with their forks intact. I couldn’t get it to work until an install (or restore, in my case) had been run from a CD.
It worked like twice, now it keeps craching about a quarter of the way throguh startup. WTF? This is the most frustrating software I have ever tried to use!
Boot…crash
Boot…crash
Boot…crash
Is anyone else experiencing this? It happens no matter what volume I install OS to, or how the volume was created. SS finds the disk, begins startup, then craps out. If I turn on “Ignore Illeagle Memory Accesses” in the memory tab, Then instead of crashing, it freezes. Same place every time. Why is this happening? I have 512 MB OS RAM allocated (1012 caused an error). I have tried all settings down to 64 MB. What gives?
I’m trying to install SheepShaver 2.3. I have a 24-inch iMac and a Mac OS 9.0 CD as well as the Mac OS 9 ROM. I define the memory as 256 MB and create the OS9-Volume as 512 MB. When I then click the Start button to install OS9, it tries to initalize the OS9-Volume but then fails with the error:
Disk intialization failed because the disk is locked!
I went to Terminal and did a chmod of the OS9-Volume directory and still got the same error. Is there any way that I can get around this problem.
Also, has anyone got SheepShaver to work on a Mac Pro (Intel Xeon)? I tried that first and couldn’t get it to work there either. SheepShaver would just crash within seconds after clicking the Start button.
Thanks for any help.
I must be a total idiot…but can someone help me with the following?
- I’ve downloaded the Sheep thing
- Downloaded the Apple ROM as indicated above – the rapidshare link does not work anymore.
- CANNOT run tomeviewer so I guess the ROM I downloaded is totally useless
- I have an original copy of OS 9 and I REALLY need to make it run on my MBP.
So:
Can someone help me here…please!
Dan:
I have downloaded the SS, and Mac OS ROM from the updater 1.0 (in a G5 powerPC running mac classic) since the link you provided did not work (took me to some photo website) and downloaded a Mac 9.0.4 from the apple site you indicated. Thereafter, I followed your tutorial exactly, but I always got the following SS error message, “SheepShaver Error: Cannot map first kernel data area: Permission denied.” I really do not know what I am doing wrong. I desperately need to run some classic applications for my research work.
Please help. Somebody…..!
Just download the image I’ve pre-built. It has OS, ROM, and everything else you need. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac, to the Links section, to the SheepShaver and Basilisk folder, and click “SheepShaver-WordPerfect Install (2)”. It’s 243 mb, about a 20 minute download with a fast connection.
Enjoy,
John
The link I just posted doesn’t work since it’s followed by a comma. Try this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac
John
I have an Intel MacBook Pro…I’ve downloaded SheepShaver-2.3, I have a valid ROM…I have a retail copy of OS 9. SheepShaver will not launch the OS however. It gives me a disk with a flashing ?, and ejects the CD in the drive. I have a mounted disc image with all OS 9 info, but I don’t know how to get it to load from there. I know nothing about programing so any help would be appreciated! What do I do?
Brooke
John – I’ve installed SheepShaver with the package that you put together and it works great. Thanks for that.
The problem I’m having is installing other os9 software into it. I can’t seem to access the utilities folder from outside sheepshaver and i can’t seem to navigate to my software from within it. Do i need to be running off original installer disks?
Thank-you,
Bernie
I have an intel MacBook Pro running latest operating system. Did everything the instructions said, but cannot load any OS 9 or OS 8 disks from original CD. Keep getting flashing floppy and then that “this startup disk will not work on the Macintosh model. Use the latest instaler to update this disk for this model.
Any suggestions?
after reading all the problems, this whole Sheep Shaver idea to run OS 9 on an intel mac is a joke. It looks like all I will do is screw up my computer. The directions are obviously inadequate, and after reading everyone’s posts it looks like this whole thing is a real Cluster Flub.
You hackers don’t seem to know what you are doing half the time. If you can’t get it right, then quit playing around.
One of the links dont work
R K Smith –
Works fine for me!
Like SK ROY, I am getting the “Cannot map first Kernel Data area: Permission denied”. I followed the install and settings instructions.
Any suggestions?
-Weller
Hey, just askin’ can i make all this stuff on an external hard drive? i already have windows on my Mac. If someone asked this before, sorry, acn you tell me again? i haven’t read it entirely.
Hi to all!
Does anyone get a second monitor to work under SheepShaver?
I can’t find a solution…
Is there any?
Thanks.
Greetings
Dink
Sheep Shaver can not detect the USB device (dongle) when I have installed the Quarkxpress 4.1 in my Intel-based iMac
hi, does it’s works on windows?
I can’t install programs from diskettes volume images from a CD under 8.6. Also, I tried to install 9.2 and as expected it’s not working either. My objective is to have ClarisWorks running in order to retrieve content from files.
Regards and thanks,
Marco
If you don’t have an OS 9 or OS 8 or OS 7 CD-ROM for SheepShaver, you go onto the Apple Vintage Operating System site and download, say 7.6 or 8.0 or 9.1 and how do you get SS to read it as a bootable CD. Also can you boot from just the files in a folder like Installer Tomes 1, 2, 3????????
Help would be fantastic as I am trying to play all my OS 9 games without buying an old G3 Mac.
Thanks,
B
B, use Toast to create a disc image. You can also download Mac OS 9 on some torrent sites, I found one on Demonoid.com that was made for this exact purpose.
NOW FOR MY QUESTION.
Had no problem installing everything, Mac OS 9 is running smoothly.. HOWEVER, when I go to open my game, I was asked to switch to 256 colours, so I did.
BUT now everytime I go to open it I get ” FATAL ERROR! ID = 2718 Sorry, Returning to Finder.”
What on earth does that mean!!?!?
Ok, i have created my disk image with toast containing System Folder (9.0).
I load the .toast image file into the preferences and it still comes up with the Disk Icon and flashing ?.
Am i doing something wrong or could someone post the Disk Tools for Mac OS 9.0.4?
Thankyou
B
it says i need a rom with atleast 4 mb.
where can i get one?
I struggled, with no success, to get Sheepshaver to enable an Intel iMac to communicate with an OS 9-based server program. The TCP/IP function utilizes the SLIRP emulator (an emulator within an emulator–joy!) and Apple Talk does NOT work under Sheepshaver. This was the sole reason for my seeking out Sheepshaver and I was surprised because it isn’t really mentioned unless you dig for it.
Otherwise, a fast and pretty trouble-free emulator for those ancient apps that you just HAVE to use.
Peace,
Jeff
The extracted Mac OS ROM can be found here, under section 2.1:
http://www.alkemic.com/music/travis/Mac Emulator Tutorial/MacEmulator.html
I have a New World 86 ROM which is perfect for SheepShaver.
The adress for the site is below.
http://www.alkemic.com/music/travis/Mac%20Emulator%20Tutorial/MacEmulator.html
It can be found under section 2.1
Very frustrating. I have the ROM sorted and everything is ready to go except that I CANNOT find a general release edition of Mac OS 9.0.4. I can only find editions that were bundled with Powerbooks or early iMacs and they are all machine specific. Which means that SheepSaver starts doing its stuff and then gets halted by a message saying the OS cannot be installed on this computer.
Does anyone have any idea where to obtain a normal dealer edition that is NOT tied to a specific machine? If anyone does please email me at: grazer@free.fr.
Many thanks, Graham Hay
Although today is the first time I have posted here I have been trying on and off for weeks to get this SheepSaver to work.
The best I have been able to achieve is firing it up off a CD backup copy of a Pismo Powerbook’s main volume, but of course I cannot install an OS with that and it is no good for running applications. I have found a general release Mac OS 9.0 install CD but have yet to successfully install it on SheepSaver.
Among all the cries for help in this forum there are one or two efforts at describing EXACTLY what you have to do to install SheepSaver with a native OS etc. but these ‘helpful’ posts all say something slightly different – and even then you have to decode what is written because not all of it is very clear. It may look like sense once you have installed everything but until then there is much that is very unclear.
I have tried every OS9 trick that I can remember to fool it into working but to no avail.
Even simple things like creating the volume that SheepSaver will install the OS onto does not work. All it produces is a 4Kb folder with the specified name. Whether that folder is installed at root level or in the SheepSaver folder makes no difference – it doesn’t show up as an option to install to.
Only once did I end up with a strange looking file that ‘weighed’ the 1Gb that I had specified. Unfortunately it got chucked away during one of the many ‘… okay, let’s chuck everything out and start again …’ sessions.
Creating an OSX .dmg file will at least show up on the OS9 install CD’s desktop but any attempt to install the OS onto that volume ends up with SheepSaver quitting before the job is done.
Apparently many folks here have it all up and running but there is no way to contact any of them to ask how they did it and once they have sussed it there is not much reason for them to return.
However, on the offchance that some does DOES pass by again having successfully sorted it all out, can you please, please share your valuable knowledge.
Regards, Graham Hay (grazer@free.fr)
When I click on the like to the “Fully compatible ROM” (on RapidShare) I get file not found. This file must be someplace.
I have usb dongle for freehand 10 (arabic/hebrew) the sheepshaver can’t see it
avybody can help me
VERY IMPORTANT
thanksssss
I have the same problem with Quarkxpress. We can only wait the new version of SS.
Anyone figure out what fixes this error?
“ERROR: Cannot map first Kernel Data area: Permission denied.”
Hello, I have just been able to install Sheep Shaver on my new MackBook Pro 17” model. I used the New World ROM. However, when I am able to get the drive to boot. I have a difficult time getting an operating system install on the computer. Everytime I put in an OS 9.0.4 for iMac or iBook and click on install os a message always comes up saying that the installation cannot be completed. I have to quit and then close down the boot from cd window. I am no father in installing the OS. I am wondering with the new world rom do you need a special kind of disc or should I be looking for something like the Powerbook which was the older model of this with its PPC. If anybody could help that would be great. Thank you very much.
Hi people,
I’m David (15) from Holland, and I’m running SS without problems now.
Except for one small thing : Does anyone know how I can mount my OS 9 disc ?
I have to put the install CD of Mac OS 9 in my eMac before SS will operate (or how do you call that in English ?)
And is there anyone familiair with the programm MediWorks ?
Thanks,
David
anyone who dosent have a mac os9 cd,
I used this torrent
http://www.mininova.org/tor/350344
Just burn the image to a cd
:)
SheepDroppings is more appropriate.
What a complete and total utter waste of time.
I have just bought yet ANOTHER OS9 install disc. This one is definitely a full retail version without ANY machine specific restrictions and this SS still doesn’t do anything like it is claimed to do.
It will not create a volume, it simply creates an empty folder which is not recognised when it comes to installing the OS. A dmg disc image file is recognised but the installer always quits after about twenty seconds.
Why does this forum even exist if there is no help to be found?
A few here say they have installed SS and are happily using it.
Great ! Bully for you ! How wonderful for you !
If you can spare the time to post here and crow about it why not take a look at all the messages of despair and offer some constructive advice if you have any.
There are thousands of Mac users who have or ultimately will have no option but to adopt OSX however, great though it is, there are old OS9 files that need to be accessed and essential OS9 applications that have not made the transition that we all need to have the use of for a while longer.
An emulator is the perfect answer but how ironic that PC users can apparently access OS9 with SS and Mac users cannot because the poxy stupid thing doesn’t work !!
My email address is grazer@free.fr.
If anyone knows the secret to getting this SS to work, drop me a line please.
To all others who are still struggling to obtain the correct ROM and OS9 install CD I can help you with those two items.
Right so i now have SS up and running(ish). The problem is, i cannot install the OS. IT says in the instructions above how to create a volume. I do that and it creates a folder. Nothing is being recognised when i try to install it, no disk at all!! I have created .dmgs in disk utility and converted them to all different types but i still cant install it.
Is there any way that i can do this??
I have gotten the os 9 onto the computer and I love that it works. However, when I try to run a few applications for my kids such as Bugdom or CroMag Rally everytime I try to run it the system always flashes and closes sheep shaver. Is there any way it could work. I know that when the programs changes the screen resolution or something it always stops working. Also I am unable to got sound for the operating system is ther anything that I can add to get the sound to work. In the GUI it is all turned on in the computer settings, however things still do not work. If anybody has any hints to get these programs to work that would be great. Thank you very much.
For those trying to install mac OS 9 I think i found a solution…I also got the flashing “?” when I first installed it from the CD on anew disk image using the preconfig pack floating around on the web (SSW2.zip). What I found was if I created a new disk image as “sparse” just like for transferring files (say 1 GB), then set it as the only volume and then boot from the OS 9 install CD (with a new world ROM) it worked perfectly! Now I have OS 9 runningg…now to figure out how to install apps on it!
btw those who need a generic Mac OS 9 if you can get a membership at torrent sites like demonoid.com they have ONE there (yes only one 9.0..rest are 9.2 or higher)…it still has seeds so get it quick!
P.S. I STILL can’t get disk images to work for transferring files (keeps asking to initialise it..when i say “yes” OS X no longer recognises the image aargh)…but at least the OS i working!
Here’s a way for file transfer I found on ambrosia bu I still get the “program that created the file cannot be found” error!
3. In the SheepShaverGUI application, choose to create another Hard Drive. It doesn’t need much space on it, just enough to transfer any files that you need. You can call it “Shared” or whatever you like and save to the same folder as your ROM and “HD” (the “Sheepshaver” folder)
4. Now open Sheepshaver again. It will ask to format the “Shared” drive that you just created. Let it do so. Shut down Sheepshaver when that is done.
5. Now navigate to your “Sheepshaver” folder. Inside, it should have both the original HD image and the new Shared hd (or whatever you named it). Please note: I do not mean the “Share” folder, as I said that is non-essential and I don’t use it. Right-click or File > Get Info on the Shared hd.
6. Under name and extension, add the end “.iso” (without quotes). Close the Info window. OS X will ask if you want to add the extention or not. Click “yes” or whichever button keeps the extention.
7. OS X now sees the Shared hd as a mount-able disk image. Open it and place a copy of the files inside the mounted HD disk image. Now eject the disk image
8. Return to “Get Info”, under name and extention, remove “.iso” from the end. OS X will ask if you are sure you to remove it; yes you do.
9. Now open SheepShaver again.
10. You should see the Shared hd as a Hard Drive on the desktop. Open it and drag files into your HD image. Cythera is now installed in SheepShaver.
You can use that method to transfer anything you want to from OS X to SheepShaver. Just be sure that you remove the .iso extention each time before you open sheepshaver
Hi,
I wanted to install and run SheepShaver – only, the link you give for a ROM which doesn’t need TomeViewer gives “file not found”.
I see there are various posts about ROM downloads, but haven’t really been able to sort out where I need to go to find a ROM which doesn’t require TomeViewer, to run Mac OS 9 (I understand it shouldn’t be 9.1 nor grater) or 8.
Can anyone help me?
Thank you in advance.
Sergio Allioni
When I run this I get no sound – it’s interfering with an app I want to run – any ideas? It gives me a Fatal error “Can’t create sound channels. Try increasing my memory partition in the Get Info box,” Tried increasing – no luck.
Can someone upload the ROM which does not require TomeViewer again?
I get the continual error:
SheepShaver error:
Invalid ROM file size. SheepShaver requires a 4MB PCI PoerMac Rom.
So far I’ve tried difference file sizes AND different ROMs.
Anyone?
I have a standalone CD installer of OS9.
I have gotten sheepsaver to launch and run the installer from the above CD. It starts the installation process, but sheepsaver always crashes just a minute into the 7 minute install.
I am using NewWorld 86 ROM
I am so close, but “no cigar”. anyone have any ideas? Is there another solution besides SheepShaver?
Hello, I just got Sheep Shaver to work great. I am having the problem of hearing sound. I cannot hear anything. I have a 2.33 Apple MacBook Pro 17” and if any of you have any tricks that would be great. Thank you very much.
I got the sound to work, now is there any way to do 3d gaming like cromag or bugdom or any of those old games. Thank you
Everybody who tried and failed or could not find ROM or CD, go NS
get the torrent file of .
COI (Classic-On-Intel) V4.0.1 “Chubby Bunny”
It is a stand alone sheepshaver with OS (in HD), ROM and setting included.
It works on Intel MAC as should work on OS-X.
I still could not work Office98 on OS-X.
Only the way run Office98 is on Windows 2000 SheepShaver, not linux or OS-X. How ironic!
Hi
SheepShaver works, it is excellent. My only problem is that i need to distribute Sheepshaver to a number of people and i don’t have enough original OS8.6 disks. How do i get about this? Can we use sheepshaver without the need of a OS disk?
I have tried to copy and burn to a new disk (and also included all my required applications, this saves HD space) and have managed to burn the disk as Mac OS Standard with Roman encoding, yet every disk i have burn does not work.
Does anyone know how i can burn a disk so that i can use them with sheepshaver?
I am on an intel i mac. I have access to a g5 imac with classic. I also have access to a ibook g3 running os9
PLEASE HELP.
I am using an intel mac and need Mac OS9 for Myst II. (Or, I guess I could eventually try OS 8 if I can’t get 9 to work…)
I have got the correct ROM, I have an OS9 disk (finally one that is not platform dependant), and I am able to run sheepshaver. I installed system 9 but can’t get it to start from the installed system folder.
I have a disk image saved in the sheep shaver that I called “Sys9virtualdrive.dmg”. The installer logs say all went well. I even went ahead and updated it to 9.0.4 It is a 600 mb disk and I set the memory to 512 mb….
But if I start sheepshaver without the system disk inserted, it gives me the flashy disk sign. I’ve tried changing the startup disk but it continues to insist on having the disk…
How do I get this working without the OS9 cd in the computer?
I just got the system to install (I realized I couldn’t use dmg files to install the system on, only to transfer files between systems).
So I’ve got OS 9.0.4 up and running on my intel mac but I can’t get Riven (Myst II) to run.
I created a dmg file, copied the files off the DVD onto the dmg file, dismounted the dmg file, added the dmg file it to sheepshaver using the gui applicaiton and started up sys 9 again.
I copied the files from the dmg file (which appeared as a hard drive) over to my sys 9 virtual hard drive but when I double-click on the application file, it says it won’t work because “Interface Lib–FSResolveAliasFileWithMountFlags” could not be found.
Is this because of the dmg file? I also tried creating another drive in sheepshaver and adding and removing the iso extension as Bruckwine suggested but I get the same problem….
Is there some way I can get the OS9 to recognize the Riven DVD?
Reniamatic,
In terms of getting system 9 to work without a CD in the drive, for me it was a matter of making sure I had made the virtual drive correctly. I had tried making it with disk utility and then in the GUI of shape shifter “adding” this drive. But you need to use the shape shifter GUI to “create” a virtual drive. I don’t know why the first time I tried to do this it failed (which is why I used disk utility instead) but it should be pretty straight forward how to make a drive (i believe it was in the volumes tab, I hit create, made the size of my drive 600 mb and then gave it a name and hit okay…)
Once you have your drive and sheep shaver is running, you will be asked to initialize the virtual drive (which should be the same size as the drive you made – though it will probably now be called untitled). After initializing the drive, you can then install system 9 on the virtual drive. Once that’s done, restart system 9, and it should no longer start up from the CD.
I’ve narrowed down my problems to two things I think:
1) DVDs are not recognized by my OS 9.0.4
—> Is there a driver I can get or something?
2) Quicktime 6 (needed to run myst II) does not install properly.
I wanted to try “updating” my quicktime using the quicktime update instead of installing quicktime 6 directly but I cannot connect to the internet. I set the TCP/IP stuff up in the TCP/IP control panel (ethernet, DCHP) and I receive ip address and router address and all that stuff from the server. I saved my settings and closed the panel. But I can’t actually load a web page or connect to the internet using software update or quicktime update. Any ideas here? Any steps missing to connect to the net in OS9?
Figured out the internet stuff (needed to choose shlib in the ethernet section of the sheepshaver GUI)
Now I’ll try to update quicktime…. and search for a system 9 DVD driver!
How in the name of Merlin’s Pants have people gotten 9.1 to boot, I installed it correctly, it tells me to reboot but then it just says “This Startup Disk does not work with the Macintosh, please find the latest installer” or something? And if anyone is having terrible trouble setting this babe up, search in GOOGLE for COI (Classic-On-Intel) 2.1. I uploaded to a site and u can download it fully organized and only 50mb (extracts to be waaaaay more).
Please tell how to install 9.1
B
the link to the non-apple ROM is gone. How do i get this ROM?
Final idea regarding using sheepshaver to play Riven… I dont know WHY I didn’t notice this before, but Riven specifies 9.1 or 8.1…. so my final thought is to give 8.1 a try. For some reason Sheepshaver (the PPC emulator) won’t recognize my 8.1 install disc… if I can only get 8.1 working I think this is my last and final chance!
Final idea regarding using sheepshaver to play Riven… I dont know WHY I didn’t notice this before, but Riven specifies 9.1 or 8.1…. so my final thought is to give 8.1 a try. For some reason Sheepshaver (the PPC emulator) won’t recognize my 8.1 install disc… if I can only get 8.1 working I think this is my last and final chance!
(I got 9.0.4 to recognize the DVD -saved it as a CD/DVD image but there are all these InterfaceLib errors)
can somone fix the missing mac os rom file. please hurry
Because I’ve tried all versions of MacOs that run on sheepshaver and can’t seem to get Riven to work (it seems to be a problem with quicktime), just wanted to let any Myst fans know that there are two projects trying to get Riven to run on intel macs:
http://www.devklog.net/rivenx/
http://fissure.sourceforge.net/
I need a list of DLLs for SheepShaver for Windows. It is a pain to download them one by one. Is there a complete package for the files?
Like most other people I am having the same issue with blinking floppy disc. Does anyone have a solution to this?
I have no access to a PowerPC mac, so I can’t get the ROM extracted. The link to the pre-extracted ROM is broken. Does anyone have a way to get this to work? I need it for only one simply little program.
Worked great for me! It’s all installed with internet sound and all! Got the original Mac OS 9 rom. If anyone needs help, ask me!
Is there any way to extract the ROM from an older comp? I have an old iMac Graphite (from ‘99 I think) which I used tomeviewer on to get the ROM from that update 1.0, but when I got sheepshaver all booted up and popped in my CD (the software install that came with that old iMac) it said that the install couldn’t be run on this machine. I’m figuring that this either has to do with the ROM being tailored to OS 8.6, while my CDs have 9.0.3, or simply because my CDs are specific to my G4 iMac and this ROM was for G3 computers. Any ideas on what I can do? I think if I can just use the ROM from my iMac then I’ll be set, but I have no idea if I can do that. Or I might be totally wrong about this too….
I got the Mac OS Rom from the official 8.5 CD and got that accepted by SS GUI. I created an image called Classic using the GUI. Both files are in the SS folder in my Home directory. I have set the memory to 512. The 8.5 CD is in de drive. When I push the Start button in the SS GUI, SS starts up with a black screen, and immediately quits. When I change the option “Ignore Illegal Memory Access” in the SS GUI, SS starts with the black screen and remains that way until I do a Force Quit.
I tried this same install on my Macbook Pro Dual Core and on my Mac Pro 8-core. The result is the same. I am running 10.4.10.
Can anybody send me a clue on how to solve this ?
hi, this is a great site, but the link you have for the ROM that runs with Sheep Saver (that you don’t need OS 9 to access) brings up a “file not found”. i was wondering if there was another site i could go to for this ROM? thanks
Does anybody know how to run Water Race in OS 9? I’ve tried everything I can think of but SheepShaver crashes before you even get to the menu for the game.
I´m using an special application called Quickceph, developed for OS9 and classic.
It works only with a Rainbow EVE USB key (Dongle).
I know that there is a new version of Quickceph, but upgrading costs about 5000, a lot of money for just a very little improvement on the software.
Does anyone know how to make sheepshaver see the dongle?
Thanks
I need some serious help, here.
First off, where the hell can I even get the ROM image I need in the first place? That would be a good starting point. If anyone has what I need, would they kindly post it SOMEWHERE on the net? This would save dozens of us a severe headache!
Hi,
I also don’t have access to an older Mac to get the ROM file. I do own a copy of OS 9 and was told I can get the ROM file from the CD. Does anyone know where on the CD the file is?
The links to the ROM file that everyone here have posted don’t work.
Thanks
Hi All,
Just wanted to share my experience installing this software on my MacBook C2D running Leopard.
I used the ‘Software Install or Restore’ CD that came with my old G3 – these are easy enough to come by. The ROM file is on the CD inside the System Folder – just copy it in to the Sheep Shaver folder.
I created the disk image in SS GUI, allocated RAM, then proceeded with the install. This went fine, but once it was done and I booted up for the first time, it crashed. I scrapped the drive, created a new one, and this time I did two new things: 1) turned off ‘update apple hard disk drivers’ in the ‘options’ section of the OS install software. 2) set the root directory in SS GUI to my home folder 3) created the disk image on the root level of my hard drive. Now it works fine.
Hi,
I’m having trouble installing this software; I’m not a technical genius at all and am struggling to make it work, help would be greatly appreciated. I get to the step where you click “start” and it runs a window that is black, but I get an error that says that the ROM file is not supported… Help please:)
Can i run Mac Os 7 with this application and is it safe? I mean my bretty iMac can go broken..
(sorry for bad english)
why didn’t the “person” who thought up this idea implement and document it properly – including avoiding all the jargon entered above – these posts are the sort of thing I got a Mac to avoid. This has been a complete waste of time for me.
Hear, Hear, John Mackinnon !
However did you manage to express yourself so politely? My experience with SheepSaver gives me bile. A total waste of a very large amount of time.
Something is evidently working because I can boot up an old Powerbook back-up CD on my first generation Intel iMac 20″ but thereafter of course I cannot actually DO anything or work on any files and the applications will not run off the CD. But nonetheless, something is working.
I use the ‘newworld86.rom’ (obtained from the Apple site at the address posted here somewhere and unzipped with my Titanium Powerbook on OS9 to access the ROM itself).
It took an extreme amount of dedication and a fair amount of expense buying the wrong thing several times, because the stupid sellers were all too ignorant, before I FINALLY tracked down an expensive retail version of Mac OS 9.0.4. (So funny, $150 for an out-of-date-discontinued OS that I already have but cannot use because it has been cobbled by Apple to only work on the G3 Pismo that it was bundled with!)
I have ONLY been able to create the OS9 volume by selecting the Desktop as the destination. Once created I move it to the SheepSaver Folder. Trying to create the OS9 volume directly within the SheepSaver application folder merely produces a weightless generic icon. Attempts to install OS9 onto that are fruitless because the installation CD will not even see it.
Creating a .dmg within OSX’s Disk Utility produces a volume that is recogised by the installation process, however an install cannot be achieved.
So, back to the present and a status recap.
SheepSaver GUI appears to function, the CD is apparently valid and the ROM and the 1Gb (256Mb memory) SheepSaver created OS9 volume are both residing in the SheepSaver Folder and are both recognised by the installation process.
Inserting the Retail OS9 CD and clicking START in the SheepSaver GUI starts the CD up and the installation process begins. It reaches as far as twenty seconds of the installation progress bar and crashes.
EVERY SINGLE TIME.
How on Earth have the people who claim to have been successful in installing this emulator done it and WHY are NONE of them apparently able to explain clearly, lucidly, in normal people’s language and without all the speling mistakes HOW they have done it?
I am not the slightest bit interested in computer code or language or Console or Terminal. I simply want to use the computer – as I did in OS9 before it all started getting clever. Nonetheless, after ten years of using Macs and my natural tendency to open things up to see what is under the hood I do not consider myself computer ignorant.
Indeed, other people come to me to fix their Macs (and even their PC’s which I hate and know next to nothing about).
But I cannot get around SheepSaver. I am fortunate for the time being – until my Titanium Powerbook dies. Then I’ll be fckued like all you other frustrated folks on this message board.
This is for all those souls who have been trying in vain to get Mac OS9 to work on their Intel Macs using SheepSaver.
It is for all those who read the smug posts here from those who HAVE successfully installed it but then don’t bother to pass on any useful or comprehensible tips in a language that regular English speakers can understand. There are loads of loud statements here from loads of experts that make it all sound so easy but the number of posts begging for help are testament to the flakiness of this programme.
I have posted on my web server a zipped folder that contains: The SheepSaver Application, a Mac OS ROM that works and a step-by-step instruction sheet WITH accompanying screen shots of the whole process of installing SheepSaver AND Mac OS9 on your Intel Mac.
Despite all your doubts, it does actually work. It does NOT work at ” … blazing speeds …” as some would have you believe. If you are familiar with Virtaul PC then you will be familiar with this ‘version’ of OS9. But at least it mostly works and that is what we are all after isn’t it?
The address is:
http://grazer.free.fr./webstore/various/SheepSaverPackage.zip
Send me an email if you have questions (grazer@free.fr)
Good Luck all.
I have tried three times to post a message here to inform all those that are not getting any useful advice from this message board that I have prepared a package that guarantees a successful install and setup of Mac OS9 using SheepSaver.
Three times I have tried and the messages never get published.
What is the point of this message board? No useful information is published and any attempt to do so doesn’t get further than the censors.
They WANT to keep you in the dark.
Hi, I have an intel mac and I was excited to find your website. The only problem that I’m having is I don’t have another computer that can run Mac OS 9 so I can’t use the Rom that you posted from Apple, and your link to the other Rom doesn’t seem to be working. Any chance you could fix the link or send me the Rom? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Mike
MIKE,
Read my posts above. I have finally sussed it out and to help all those still trying to get it all to work have prepared a package with EVERYTHING you need to install SheepSaver AND Mac OS9 plus detailed step-by-step instructions in simple, normal english backed up with screenshots of the whole installation process.
I am certain you will find it straight forward. Give it a shot and report back.
404 on the rapidshare file, no ROM for this mac OWNER I guess. What a fucking ripoff that Apple would have it taken down and won’t let LEGITIMATE mac owners access such a vital piece of history.
I own and physically possess Macintosh software that I cannot use on my Macintosh that I own and physically possess because some blowhard at Apple’s Fashion department decided that old software wasn’t “cool” enough. Damnit!
Finally got it to work. Thanks to Graham for his tutorial, files, and e-mail help!
Make sure you use Mac OS 9.0.4, NOT 9.1. Also be sure you use a pristine disk image when you burn a CD. I got held up on this because I toyed with the disk image before burning it. Leopard’s Disk Utility works just fine for burning the CD.
Thanks graham, your tutorial worked very well. Next step…… getting Power Pete/”Mighty Mike” to run on it.
I had trouble installing Mac OS 9.0 from a retail CD (Sheepshaver crashed, disappeared, etc. from screen) early in the install process probably when the installer was installing disk drivers.
I used Disk First Aid on the Mac OS 9 CD to reformat the drive I wanted to install on, then the install proceeded normally.
I hope this helps someone.
I have had massive problems trying to get applications into SheepShaver intact. All suggestions I found on the internet didn’t seem to work. I was able to connect to a Mac OS 9 computer via Appletalk and Ethernet, and the connection lasted long enough to copy a couple small applications, and they transferred successfully. I found another workaround… if you have an AOL account. With AOL 5 installed in SheepShaver and on a Mac OS 9 computer (you can use a standard AOL CD install disk in SheepShaver to get AOL in there) you can e-mail yourself archives of the application files. Applications with files in the system folder or elsewhere on the HD will need to be e-mailed and installed by hand. But at least it worked. No doubt other archive and dearchive programs would work as well. If you don’t have AOL, you could take their one month free service offer for new subscribers if you’re that desperate.
Files seem to consistently come up as page icons with their corners turned down, but that can be fixed if you use ResEdit to change their Type and Creator codes to what they were originally (you can find out by opening the same or similar files on a Mac OS 9 computer).
I have had NO success getting a USB mass storage device (specifically SanDisk memory cards) to mount in SheepShaver, desipte suggestions of listing the disk in the Volumes section of SheepShaverGUI before launching SheepShaver. Ability to do this would be a BIG help. Anyone get that to work?
The program does crash a lot, fortunately just back to OS X, not rebooting the whole computer, but most of these crashes seem to happen when the program is interacting with things outside its environment, like screen resolution, or files on your OS X drive. Making improvements in its general stability would be nice.
Obviously there are quite a number of problems with this program, but it is a godsend for those who need that mission critical OS 9 app, or if you’re just a geek who likes to see what can be done. However, perhaps the biggest improvement would be providing more ways to link to external disks, and more reliably, so applications can be copied into it intact.
Maybe someone could consolidate all these posts into a FAQ file?
Bill
Bill222E@aol.com
Graham -
Thank you so much for your postings, where you gave the link to your website.
I tried several CD burning programs before succeeding in making one that SheepShaver would read. ImageBurner 2.0 did the trick.
http://homepage.mac.com/adg/ImageBurner/
I tried several methods for making hard drive images for use in SS. I found the easy way was to use the SS GUI to create a dmg, which I could mount in OS-X, where I could populate it. Then after demounting, I would launch SS and work with the new “HD”.
I am able to import folders from the OS-X file system (although they vanish from there) within SS’s Unix drive – but there are scary possibilities of damaging the host’s files. (?)
I am able to browse the web using IE5, and to connect to my host OS-x ’s IP address.
One thing that I am still struggling with is sound. I’ve tried several different versions of ROMs and of SheepShaver, all with the same result. No sound. I get the error message about “sndhwutilitieslib–AudioNotify”. I’ve looked everywhere I can think of, and can’t seem to resolve this. I’m guessing it’s because SS thinks it’s a 9500 but with the G4 processor?
I would appreciate any clue yo may have on this sound issue. It would be nice to hear startup and error beeps in SheepShaver.
Best regards,
…Al
A few folks are having difficulty in making a bootable OS 9 CD from the dmg file in the SheepShaver Install package that I prepared and detailed about eight posts before this.
It is important to know that the dmg file IS the CD but saved in a transferable format.
Do not try to copy the files contained within the dmg file to a new folder or temporary partition or anything. The dmg file was made using OS X’s Disk Utility so use Disk Utility to reverse the process and make it back into a CD.
Open Disk Utility, drag the dmg file onto the left side window where all volumes are listed, highlight it and hit the ‘nuclear’ burn button top left.
Many folks are having lots of success with the package, which is gratifying, but there does seem to be a fly in the ointment. Although OS 9 etc. loads and boots up and behaves as one would expect mostly, there is no sound !
The Control Strip ‘Sound’ icon volume slider moves under the mouse but doesn’t change the volume and snaps back to zero as soon as the mouse is released. Attempts to open the Sound Control Panel brings an Error Message about a missing …”sndhwutilitieslib–AudioNotify”…..
Anybody else come across this and found a fix for it?
First off, thanks Graham for your efforts, I finally got the app running on an intel mac with leopard. Unfortunately, I’m running into the same problem regarding with the sound, it just doesn’t work and the sound icon defaults back to zero all the time for some reason I haven’t been able to figure out. Thanks again!
Graham -
I have sound!
At least, with these elements in combination:
The newworld86 rom from your setup.
The August 2007 version of Sheepshaver. (strange, only 736 kB; how can it be half the size of the other versions floating about?)
My Pismo laptop image, rather than your iMac image.
Can control the alert sound level, but can’t pull the main volume down from maximum. But that’s OK.
This while operating on my G4 FW800 dual-1.25GHz PowerMac under 10.4.11
Thanks for all your work.
…Al
New: I discovered this web page:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac/
which led to this downloadable:
http://macwp.com/files/SS-WP%201.1.zip
which contains a workable Sheepshaver with System 7.5 and WordPerfect as well as a variety of utilities. And, the sound works on that one too.