Let the Flaming Begin: The Vista vs Mac OS X Upgrade Chart

Yea, the image is over the top.

Essentially, aren’t there only three versions of Vista?

They count multiple versions of the same thing?

even if ‘only’ three versions of Vista (codenamed hard to chew eye-candy) there is still only one of Leopard.

Mac people are looking childish these days, Windows users look confused and I just sit and use Linux when not at work.

I dislike Windows and I like OS/X, but lately I have to admit Mac people are really making themselves lose that “We are better by example” kinda feel. Now they just seem to look like that little kid that finally beat his big brother in a basketball game..yay! look at me look at me!

Go play with your Nano’s and stop spending time trying to reassure the world on your choice of OS, frankly were all getting tired.

Oh, andl the next time you stay home from work for the day because ZOMG! the Apple site is being updated!! remember to breath.

It was only natural that Microsoft deploy multiple versions – three this time. Look at XP – Home & Pro. Maybe next decades release will have four.

Making people pay for minor additions to OS features (such as XP home, XP Pro) is silly I would agree. Microsoft has enjoyed this revenue maker too much I think.

Of course charging people a fee for opening up wireless “n” after the users bought a $2000 system with the wonderful, be-all-end all OS like OS/X is a bit shady as well.

Face it people, both companies make their money… one charges you a ton for hardware, one gets ya in the software..why is one so above it all?

I think tomorrow I will go to the computer shop and ask them to strip away my personal ownership rights and then request they charge me double for basic hardware so i can feel the love from both companies. As long as my case comes in 5 colors I’m sold.

Just to make sure the world knows, we mac people are getting tired of being beaten on the basketball court. Its our time to shine! The big brother is usually goal tending anyways. Just because we have better fundamentals and 3 point shot doesn’t mean we should be neglected all these years.

What can I say, I’m just trying to reassure myself of my basketball skills.

What about
Mac os 10.4
MAc os 10.4.4
Mac Os 10.4.5 .6 . 7 .8 ect
you have to know what mac your running or things wont work
every day it seams theres a new MAC OS so STFU

Oh and any mac os you can upgrade to X with?
What about 9 and 8 running on the first I macs? Id love to see
final cut studio on a imac

@ANNON
10.4.x is a free upgrade, which Vista is not free if you decided to switch from Home to Ultimate.

I am sure my hardcore windows friend would be get confused about the name and the price for each version of Vista.

ok so its a free upgrade, but its like xp service pack 1 and then 2, you needed to upgrade cus if you didn’t, stuff wont work.
But is MAc OS X you have yo change operation systems every week.

Its alright, annon, I realize you have no concept of what actually happens inside a computer. There, there, dont be angry.

Yeah, those Mac Users are really getting loud and annoying on the internet these days..
There are different versions of Vista, for different purposes. Personally, I don’t mind, since I can already rule out buying the “Business” Edition (for obvious reasons).

I would, however, like to point out one thing;

PCs are much more customizable than Macs (at least to my knowledge). Have you ever seen a PC on sale by Windows? Rarely. Windows make the software for PCs. Stop hating on PCs, and hate on Windows (if you must.)

There are thousands upon thousands of PC cases, and only about 4 or 5 Mac cases that I’ve seen. (?)

You can choose from all kinds of brands of parts, upgrades, accessories for your PC, to make it better for yourself, which will make it fit your own personal needs.

To top it off, when it comes to gaming, PCs will flat-out embarrass a Mac, when it comes to image quality, FPS, and overall performance.

People usually make noise when they’re sad with a product, whereas, if you are enjoying it and having a good time, you will be more likely to NOT post about it on the internet. And you wonder why Mac Fanboys make so much noise? I say we all just sit em down for a round of CS and call it a day.

^ o_O

ok I’m getting tired of this. Keep in mind there have been different versions of windows for a VERY long time. NT has been around for a long time, THATS WHAT BUSINESS IS.

“Any Mac OS”
So…that means I can buy Leopard 10.5 and upgrade my LCIII? Or better still, my Mac Classic? Can Leopard really fit on a floppy!? :P

Vista is NOT that complicated. But when your upgrading PC’s that still completely dominate the market, you need to give your customers options. Not many offices have an all Mac network.

Mac’s belong at home, for fun and getting hobby-like projects done easily. Only one version is needed. PC’s are for work. It’s just how it is. If any argument can be made it’s:
WinXP–>Vista Home/Vista Ultimate (Upgrade or full) | Older Mac OS–>Leopard

It’s pretty even.

D, your definition of a PC is very loose. A current “mac” with intel components will outperform many to most “pcs,” especially if you take into consideration the typical low-spec’d machine which is purchased by the typical windows user. To continue a dumb argument, I would say that the average mac will flat-out embarrass a “PC” when it comes to FPS and overall performance, but not image quality because image quality involves the display more than any other instrument (if you want to compare color sync of windows vs. mac os x, give me a break). And I’m not talking within different operating systems, I’m talking a windows to windows comparison here. Since apple switched to Intel, it has greatly reduced the logic behind most flames, even though PowerPC was a better architecture.

Actually, there exists 2 versions of MacOS X: the “normal” one and the “server” one.

I know there’s Win Server, too, but MacOS Server seems to me like a MacOS on boost rather than a totally different OS…

This doesn’t mean X is weaker than X Server, it means that Server is even cooler!

Well, the Vista chart is missing the N versions og Vista.

Had to do some reinstalls yesterday due to the keys for N and not N versions don’t mix

@ Dogcow, that is crazy. The entire point of his post was to say that PCs are customizable, and you can out perform any mac on a PC. You could go out and buy the latest and greatest mac for 3k, or you could customize a PC yourself and save at least half that money. If you want to compare a 3k PC to a 3k mac the statistics would not be close. But, if you compare a 3k mac to 1500 dollar PC they MIGHT be closer.

I use both at work and at home. Both have their own unique purposes. It just depends on your needs. I do think that Apple has started to alienate possible “switchers” with their recent ads, though. No longer are they saying “Hey, buy a Mac ‘cuz they’re cool”. They’re saying “Buy a Mac or YOU’RE not cool.” And according to one ad, Mac programs and their GUI’s just fall out of the sky. When you start talking about cost (ie Mac costing more) I think things are getting way out of hand. Most comparisons are apples (the fruit) to oranges. I suggest that anyone who thinks Macs cost more go to Apple’s website and get the specs on any laptop or desktop and then head over to Dell’s site and build a PC with the same specs; Same processor speed, same RAM, same DVD, same video card, same size hard drive, same size screen, etc. The only major difference being the OS and the case. When I did this, I found that PC’s actually cost more then Macs – sometimes much more – every time. When you compare something you have to compare apples to apples (again, the fruit) and not apples to oranges.

Macs do suck in the USB port department, though. How hard would it be to add a couple Steve? Come on!

I think the ‘Mac’s are more expensive than PC’s’ argument is a little silly anyway. Apple make no apologies for selling premium systems – it’s unfair to compare against budget systems from Dell when the business model is in fact similar to the Vaio model – premium hardware with good build quality and design rather than top spec ‘frankensteins monster’ systems.
As for the operating system, time will tell. It’s in Microsofts best interests to create multiple versions of its OS – at the end of the day, there are billions of computer configurations, and many more varieties of Windows users than Mac users – so a choice is necessary. There s only a small line of Apple computers, so it is far easier to support a single version OS for very specific hardware. Microsoft really don’t have that luxuary, so they do the best they can for business (user experince always comes second, and always has for MS.)
As for Brians post. compare a fully speced Mac Pro to a similarly speced Dell – Apple beats it on price by almost a grand and according to PC pro, the 3ghz Mac Pro has the fastest windows benchmark they have ever had – it certainly speaks volumes about the quality of the system.
I have to agree about the Mac adverts, though despite the hyperbole, some do have a small point. Still shit though.

I use mac and pc, just because everyone uses final cut studio so rather export everything in premier and back and forth I just use mac.
But oh wait, I use MAC with the x86 install so its on my PC that only cost me 300$
WOW a g5 for 300, runs final cut studio that all i need.
Pus I got my new acer aspire, for 699, built in web cam so its a mac book PRO for 700$
Core 2 Duo, 1 gig ram, 256mb Video and DVD super drive. 120gig HD.

And thats another thing of the adds, buy a mac so you can have fun, but not games fun, just photos fun, well if you want to use I LIFE crap, otherwise you can just you photoshop like the rest of the world which is cross platform.
And bootcamp? Wow you can run XP on a mac, as stated above, you can save your money and run Mac on a PC!!

This is what I don’t get:

“Mac’s belong at home, for fun and getting hobby-like projects done easily. Only one version is needed. PC’s are for work.”

Is this the work of the Mac commercials? What are you talking about? Make a podcast, a movie, a family website? Don’t make me laugh. It can be performed just as easily on a PC (though I wouldn’t recommend any of those things–no one wants to here it or see it o.0). The only place I say Mac fails in is the gaming department. And please, don’t ever say “fun and getting hobby-like projects” again.

Broncobash, you got one fact rather wrong, I suppose. The update to ‘n’ was lowered in price from $5 already, and if you’ve paid attention, they put no restrictions on sharing the file. They say something roughly akin to “you can use it on your other computers too!”, which doesn’t sound like they’re trying to make vast rivers of money flow into their bank account. Besides, as was pointed out elsewhere, it probably costs Apple more to charge $2 for a product, due to all the work in money processing, than it makes them.

Just some minor correction I felt was in place.

Pus I got my new acer aspire, for 699, built in web cam so its a mac book PRO for 700$
Core 2 Duo, 1 gig ram, 256mb Video and DVD super drive. 120gig HD.

That’s fine if you wan’t a mediocre looking laptop that feels as if it is going to fall apart in your hands thanks to its cheap plastic build. I dropped my powerbook off a high shelf while i was fumbling around for some DVD’s (ah the storage problems of a box-room..). Dropped to the floor with a crash. Not a dent, just a small scratch in the alli-case, opened it up, turned it on and voila, not a problem. Have a friend who dropped a Toshiba satalite (similar spec and build quality of the Acer line), the case smashed and cracked, hard plastic splintering, the harddrive died and the screen warped, dropping roughly 20% of the pixels.

Of course, i’m no saying my mac is indestructable, but the extra money I payed in quality saved a years worth of work and personal stuff that, to me, are priceless.

On the note of the ‘n’ upgrade, it’s still a bit dirty to charge for the upgrade: I already own the damned hardware.

Personaly I dont mind Windows, but I still love my Mac the most.

*ahem.

booooooring.

hahaha It’s amazing how oblivious people are, now vista isn’t bad, it works, theyve taken alot of the features from Mac OS X so it’s almost as good, but Macs are not just for home! Macs run full versions of microsoft office that actually have more features than the windows versions! And this hole macs are more expensive crap is not true! Sure you can get Pc’s for $400 now but they are very slow and come with minimum configurations. If you take a Mac and a PC that are the same spec it is more likely that the PC will be more expensive! Also in retaliation to Annon’s comment, not eveybody uses photoshop, it is very confusing for a first time user and not everyone can be botherd to learn it, but iPhoto is very easy to use just like all the applications in the iLife suite and they are powerful to.

I’ve been running the RTM version of Vista since early December and it’s driven me to go out today and buy a MacBook. I’ve been a windows user since 1993!

From my experience it simply isn’t a stable enough product yet and as with most MS products probably will be after SP1. However it’s a real sign of contempt from an effective monopoly that they can charge sky high prices for an unstable platform and expect users to put up with it.

I’m amazed that MS don’t seem to ever learn any lessons and are making ludicrous security claims for an immature platform based on a 2003 SP1 code base. 2003 whilst more stable and secure than XP has clearly suffered from numerous security loopholes over the past three years and I doubt Vista will be any different.

2003 is actually the OS I will have to continue to use for my MS development projects but for everyday computer use the Mac is undoubtedly superior. Vista is a cynical exercise in marketing and is Microsoft’s attempt to hide a failed development platform. It clearly isn’t what Longhorn was supposed to be. The fact that they are making such a big deal about the aero interface and the extra fluff included shows what a shallow product it is. The bottom line is that Vista offers nothing to the end user that they can’t already do in XP.

Vista demonstrates the obvious flaw in Microsoft’s development and operational structure. They are simply too large and inflexible to produce focused products. It feels like an OS design by a commitee of developers whereas OS X is clearly designed with a level of focus and understanding of HCI simply beyond Microsoft.

However I’ve no doubt that sadly Vista will ultimately dominate the marketplace. Until Apple bite the bullet and compete directly with Microsoft rather than choosing to be a narrow premium product line they won’t ever get beyond a tiny market share. I can understand them wanting to product their product but how about allowing Dell, Sony etc to release OS X on their premium laptop ranges? At present nearly 95% of the market is comfortable with windows only and when a consumer currently enters a retail store they will be confronted with dozens of Vista products and more often than not won’t even notice an Apple as an option.

What do you think the vast majority will choose?

I used both mac and windows, recently company that i worked for bought a dual 2GHZ G5(intel Xeon inside). 7300GT and 2GB DDR2-677. I was amazed on…………. how slow it is handling Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF.

and to be honest its got lots of bugs for ex: copy and pasting (apple c+v) dont work, gadget comes by itself, F8,9,10 doesnt work. and most annoying thing is, when a program crashed say Photoshop, everything just freeze, cant force quit just have to reset.

if you use mac for home use, it is yes faster and more secure than windows, but once you tried to run multiple heavy Design Programs… you’ll regret, its like a curse, it is making my life shorter

i wonder why Mac always get the throphy, it doesnt work for my work, it runs lower fps on games,why why why.. and the price you have to pay for that G5 is over 4000US, of course they still give you extras, like the most rediculus one button mouse that is worse than the cheapest microsoft/logitech mouse, and shit keyboard that requires your full power to be able to press it.

if you think mac is cheap, I’ll say youre rich bastard. with 4000US, you’ll get a super PCwith better equipment in every way PLUS a 20″ widescreen LCD.

MAC pretty? oh not anymore, because the RED DOT DESIGN AWARD went to LG-S1 laptop. but Mac now’s get a good feature ” now mac featuring windows XP” if mac think they are so superior why the hell did they put windows XP as a feature, why not the other way around.

advice: buy mac when you’re 50yrs old above or under 12yrs old

@Andrew

First of all, you mentioned Photoshop,Illustrator and PDF not handling well by G5. Talking about the keys not working and stuff. That’s not Apple’s OS problem. The problem lies in the source code of the individual programs. :) Now that you mentioned that Apple’s problems with these programs, i would like to point out something. It is a well-known fact that Windows always have issues with programs hanging, fatal error and stuff. But why was it that users reactions aren’t that big? That’s because Windows users are used to the Error Display and taken that as a norm. For Apple, with a reasonable good records of stability have such a negative reaction from users because this kind of problems are not common in Mac World. So, for your case i would probably ask u to notify the respective companies about the bug issues and have them fixed it in no time. :)

Now, on to the Design. Mac design is simple and plain, a design that one does not get bored of. Think this statement explains it all.

For the “Mac do Windows as well”, the aim for that is not becuase Apple is admitting that Windows are better. They are just admitting that certain useful Applications(NOT WINDOWS) are not YET supported in Apple, thats all. Nothing to it. It is also to faciliate the switch between Windows and Mac.

As for the price. What is the average life span of an average pc? one yr? two yr? Is your “customizable” PC having up-to-date technologies? How often you felt that there is a need to do an upgrade? 6 months? How long before your PC is not compatiable with the lastest Windows OS?

Mac on other hand is built to last. Mac users are happy with thier machines because the moment they buy a mac, they are gettting up-date-machines. Sometimes they received technologies that are not even widely used yet. So an average mac last much much longer than a budget PC. If you do not believe me on this, go check out ebay or any re-seller shop. Mac is the only computer that still has any re-sale value. :)

And Mac can be UPGRADED. :)

Now , next to the comments posted by someone earlier crapping about installing Mac OS X on a super old model of mac. Come on, its like us telling u guys to install Vista on Pentium 2 machine.

Lastely, we are mac users are seen noisy because of the fact that we are trying our best to clear off the mis-undestanding that the public had on us.

PS: To the majority of Windows users, use Mac for a month or so(with an open-mind) before you start bashing mac w/o having a slightest idea of what is going on in Mac world. Personally i feel UBUNTU is the best becuase of the fact that it is FREE and it works on PC.

Advice: Buy a mac if you wan ease of use. Buy a PC if you are a gamer.

@BRATZ

what you are saying is completely correct, mac is good, build to last, upgradeable and also more secure, but I dont know why for some reason it doesnt work for me. there are always things I can’t do on MAC.

I’ve got my PC since the first time windows XP came out, so its about 6 years ago, it was Pentium III 1Ghz. the only thing I upgraded is RAM ( from 256 to 512 ) and Hard drive ( From 20GB to 100GB) which cost me 150USD and overclock it to 1.5 GHZ (which is free upgrade ofcourse) now my pc still running smoothly on XP. I run older
ADOBE CREATIVE SUITE v9 and its magic. actually I dont really bother upgrading to Vista until they release Service Pack 1.

im trully understand that windows may crash more often than mac, but after XP released Service Pack 2, it is much more stable. to be honest I have never experience a blue screen crash on my old PC after Service Pack 1. Windows is very powerful OS for Powerful user, what I mean is…. if you want your windows to run properly, you have to treat it properly, and there are million ways of doing it from simple Disk defragment, disk clean up to the complicated registry editor, and its quite fun for me, its like maintaining a car you loved. if you say im sorry I can’t do that, I dont know how to do that and I dont like tweaking, then you go with Mac. thats why Mac is for people under 12 and over 50 yrs old.

if you treat your PC well, it will serve you well, if you dont, it’ll bite you to death, maybe if you have XP on you Mac, you can try to have fun with registry editor and see what I mean

and please dont say that I dont know whats going on in Mac, because I AM a MAC user as well since OS9. im a designer and I am surrounded by MACs

@ Andrew

Hi Andrew,

To start off, the last sentence isn’t direct towards you. :) If you don’t mean reading my previous post again, I added the word “majority” in it. Its directed to MOST windows users who did not touch mac in their lives. Of course i know u are a mac user, its mentioned in your previous post. :)

I do know that Windows XP is stable after service pack 2. Windows XPP runs smoothly on most machines, i had installed WInXPP once on a P2 machine. :) It has to be stable ! Its being Years people using WinXPP. :) The point lies here is still the frequency of crashes. :) Plus recovering from a crash in Mac is much easier than in Windows. Yes, Macs do Crash, rarely(for my case).

I would give you an example to illustrate my pt on why i felt that Mac is better for work(not just for 12 yr olds):

1) A Windows user working on his/her computer. One application(not the application the user is using) hangs, and Windows does what the couple does in Titanic Movie—> You jump, I jump. All application seem to frozed. User try Forced shut down(which does not work all the time). User have no choice but to re-boot the machine and do a scan disk process. Information lost.

2)A Mac user working on his/her computer. Once application(Not the application user is using) hangs, the rest of apllications continues to work fine. Nothing else will hang. User gets to saved the document and Forced shut down the application(Forced Shut down in Mac definitely works better than Windows). If Forced shut down process does not work, user re-boot machine. Mac starts up like nothing has happened. :) Information has been saved.

Most people who uses Mac, is because of the fact that mac OS handles graphics more efficiently than Windows. :) Mac handles memory allocation much better. That is the reason why Graphic designers use Mac for their work. Latest movies , such as King Kong , Cartoon animations are done with Macs. So i would disagree that Macs are for below 12 yrs and above 50 yrs . ^_- You are a designer, so im sure u know what i am talking about. In fact you are contridicting what you said earlier(about Macs are for under 12 and above 50). If what you said is true, Why is it doing in your office. lol :P

As for maintaing PC machines, i do know what you are talking about. I used to messed around with BIOS, registry, overclocking etc. Trust me, i LOVE tweaking machines. But the problem lies in the maintaing, tweaking etc. In today’s society, people are talking about efficiency and effectiveness. Mac does not require as much maintaince as Windows do, so people do not have to bother or worry abt it. Why ppl have to bother abt it when all they want is to finish their reports, projects in time? They do not really care care how the OS works, they just want it to work.

By the way, Mac can be tweak too. :) But not as much as Windows though.

For tweaking, as you said: Its fun. However i’m sure it can only be done at home during your leisure time, unless u are a full time computer freak. :) You definitely wont be doing on your office computer(Your data work will be at risk).People nowadays are deprived from it.

As for teating your PC well, it applies to all things, including Mac. :)

So i would end off here with this:

Get Mac if you want ease of use. Get a PC if you loved to play games and tweaking your machines and lots of time at hand. :)

PS. sorry for the late reply. I forgot to check back for your replies. :) Cheers!

Oh by the way, reagarding your PC and upgrades. Like i said, are you having the latest up-to-date machine? Like what ERIC in previous post stated: Compare Apples with Apples. Not Apples with Oranges. :)

Conclusion: Guys, Please stop this “Mac is more ex than PCs”. Its total bull crap. It is already proven that Mac is in Fact CHEAPER than DELL machines with SIMILAR specs(Same goes to DIY machines). The key words are: CHEAPER and SIMILAR. :)

No replies from Andrew? So i take it that you have conceded and agreed to what i just stated . So i will end off this debate with this(Andrew’s style):

If you are a under 12 yr old kid, Get a PC. Because u can get to play all the COOLEST PC games available for PCs only , not Mac. But be prepared to pay a considerable amt of money to get the BEST gaming experience. :)

If you are a working adult and afraid to get out of your comfort zone, stick with PCs. Switching to Mac is not as easy as 123. But if u DO so happen to switch to Mac, your life will be as easy as 123. :)

If you are above 50, u might want to consider getting a Mac. You have been stick to the Windows OS for so long, having a change might be good once in a while. :P

If you are a Mac user, Congras. You are the very few who truly understood the meaning of POWERFUL user. Powerful meaning in terms of Effficient and Effective.

@ BRATZ
Most people who uses Mac, is because of the fact that mac OS handles graphics more efficiently than Windows. :) Mac handles memory allocation much better. That is the reason why Graphic designers use Mac for their work. Latest movies , such as King Kong , Cartoon animations are done with Macs. So i would disagree that Macs are for below 12 yrs and above 50 yrs . ^_- You are a designer, so im sure u know what i am talking about. In fact you are contridicting what you said earlier(about Macs are for under 12 and above 50). If what you said is true, Why is it doing in your office. lol :P

there are no contradiction in all my words, Mac is really for under 12 and over 50, and why my office uses Mac….. well, I’ll return to my word… it is for people who doesnt have time, or and dont like to maintenance their computer and of course they won’t care about the office’s computers, because it is not theirs, it is owned by office. but I’ll tell you all of my workmates uses PC at home, why????? you know why bill gates is the riches man in the world, I dont have to explain it.

it is very wise to use mac for office, where u dont have to worry bout virus etc. but at home I’ll have my PC. I can have all movies played, have my pirated softwares, games (which everyone loved to do), listen to my 5.1 Soundblaster Audigy. i dont think mac can do better in this, mac will do but not as easy…………

so why not have all in one. a workhorse , entertainment machine, and lots of free softwares. buy PC dude, oh…. virus…. google it, find millions of free antivirus, it doesnt scare me

even Mac feels the need to be a PC (Windows on Mac) do you?

@Bratz

and forget to mention PC also can make movies, if im not mistake The matrix was created with PC . you can see the making on the DVD after the movie finished (correct me if im wrong) :)

have fun and dont take this seriously , because I also dont mind buying a mac, but with a windows inside

VISTA RULES

@Andrew

Hi HI ! :) Yes Windows do make movies, but in M&E industry, Windows have to take a back seat. Mac is widely used in M&E, this is to say that Mac are meant for work too. :)

Mac does feel the need of PCs applications on Mac OS. Thats all. :) I really do not wish to repeat myself again. And yes, i feel thats a need for Windows on Mac which i need to PLAY GAMES on. :) What you Windows users can do on , We Mac users can too. Except of course play games.

I think this will be last post. The following paragraph will be my reason:

Lol… .. Judging from your post. I think u will need to really have a spin around Mac before u make that kind of assumptions on Mac cannot do things better than Windows. First of all, to start off… … Other than your work , I seriously doubt you have any idea of what Mac really capable of. From your post, I can see that you do not really understand the reason on why Mac is widely used in M&E. In fact, i starting to doubt whether u are really into tweaking your machine. Or that, probably you are just too eager to answer my post that you are not really thinking straight. :)

Next, You are really contridicting what you are posting this time. YOU said that Mac cannot play games, THEN why would a kid be interested in MAC? :) Mac do not play much games, its not becuase it sucks. The main Reason is because game companies aim at the larger market , which is PCs. So you telling me Macs are meant for only under 12 and above 50s? I wonder… … Guess M&E industries are dominated by Kids and elderlys.

Now next to pirated softwares, do not be mistaken that pirated softwares are not widely available for Mac. There are plenty. In Fact, most of the APPLE products do not even bother to ask your CD KEY. so, there is no need to even come up with a program to generate CD Keys. So you telling me that PCs only has pirated softwares? You are SO wrong on this. :) Most of Mac users buy the original because we know how to appreciate great work(This is the case for my Country, not too sure on your side). Thats all. FREE softwares are available widely for Macs. If you do not believe me, google it.

First of all, Let me give my opinion on why Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. Not becuase of the product , nor its because of his programming skills. Its the Marketing skills that he has, and his capability of choosing the right people for the job. :) In Marketing world, you do not need to have the great product to sell well, u need a great marketing strategy. This IS the very reason why Microsoft dominates the market.

For your “taking care” of your PCs at home, If you insist that “maintaining” your PCs with million methods is a great way to spent your time, i have nothing to say. lol.. .. u win on this one. I conceded for this one.

Lastly, Vista RULES??? well, the “new features”(Which is avaliable in soon-to be outdated version of Tiger) really makes you excited. If you really want to compare, wait til Leopard comes out. :) Like i said again and again, Compare Apples with Apples not Apples with Oranges. DO take note that i am not accusing Microsoft from copying Apple’s OS. I am just pointing out this : After 5 yrs of delayed release, and with 50 million lines of codes written. This is all Mircosoft can come out with? I am so disappointed.

PS. If you just getting Mac becuase it has Windows on it, don’t bother getting one. oh by the way, i am not taking this seriously. In fact, i am having fun. And i do own PCs and Mac, do not be mistaken that i do not know anything about PCs.

Oh by the way, On why most of your Workmates uses PCs at home. This is because they are afraid of getting out of their comfort zone. They are not willingly to explore other possible alteneratives.

And lastly, Windows is a Software that comes with most PCs, Mobile device etc. Mac is a hardware and software, that comes together as a bundle. PCs consist of many companys, and Windows is just that software that is running on them. Average PCs do not last as long as an average Mac.Maybe this might be abother explanation to why Windows has the largest market share. Hmmmmm, i wonder what will happen when PCs start supporting Linux instead of Windows. What will happen to Microsoft? Go figure.

@bratz

Hmmmmm, i wonder what will happen when PCs start supporting Linux instead of Windows. What will happen to Microsoft? Go figure.—Bratz

yes, it may happen, but not in my life time im afraid, so dont bother, but thing you may consider is what happen with mac, if microsoft stop mac using their product, like Microsoft office, Msn Messenger, etc. go figure—Andrew

Now next to pirated softwares, do not be mistaken that pirated softwares are not widely available for Mac. There are plenty. In Fact, most of the APPLE products do not even bother to ask your CD KEY—Bratz

are you blind or what? you’re starting to look like 12yrs who just got a new mac. Who cares about cd key or no cd key… its abaut availability and how easy/hard you can get them. ok… now get me pirated microsoft office for mac, Half life 2, ehm maybe Counter Strike 1.6 for mac, warcraft frozen throne, and FIA GTR2. (all of them have to be for mac and of course pirated )— Andrew

give me links on that, i’ve been searching for those for nearly 3 months. i’ve tried so hard to help friend who just bought a mac…. even pirated Microsoft office is sooooo hard to get. maybe you can help Mac boy? give me torrent,rapidshare,links or whatever.

thank you very much, I’ll wait for your kind help ASAP

@ Bratz
Next, You are really contridicting what you are posting this time. YOU said that Mac cannot play games, THEN why would a kid be interested in MAC? :)— Bratz

Do you know the difference between kindergarden games and real computer games?, kids under 12yrs old play kindergarden games ( and mac is good on this because it is meant to be for kids under 12 and kids love them), but after you’re in high school (14yrs above), you’ll start to play REAL COMPUTER GAMES, do I have to mention it to you, maybe you dont know hihihihi :) and to proof it, internet cafe, game centre all use PC.

you should be knowing this stuff already, i really starting to wonder…………
never mind, just get me the softwares I mentioned above

@ Andrew

lol… .. Can see you are getting real piss at me. First of all, for Windows not letting Mac using their products. WHO IN THE HELL WORLD Still using MSN?? :) We have other alternatives to MSN, plus the support for msn isnt that great for mac users anyway. Like i said before, U do not know anything about Mac world. We do not need Mircosoft Office to handle our work. Wait for Iworks07 and u will understand what i mean. Like i say, you do not underestand. By the way, Mac holds a niche of market share. A market share where Windows and Linus will nv be able to prenetrate. As for Windows market share, lol. Half of Mac’s sales last fiscal year are from ex-Windows users. And i have take into the account of Linux which so happen to be FREE. hmmm…. I guess the last statement from my previous does apply to you. :)

For torrents and downloads, COME ON!!! Is not how long u have been searchin, its where u have been searching. And please, i am stating the CD KEYS is because of the fact that your Windows are famous for. :) First of all, if u would mind reading all the posts again, i am very sure most readers(if any) would think you are one who seem to be the 12 yr old kid in a body of a designer. :)

I do not support Mac piracy, so i Will not GIVE you sources for it. Search wisely, do not just GOOGLE it. Its called priacy for a reason. :) I REALLY STARTING to doubt your capabailities. oh, by they way, its COUnter Strike 2.0 now and we are able to get it to run on Mac with some tweakings(WHich you so proclaim that you loved to do, hmmm.. MaybE YOU SHOULD get a Mac).

AND DO NOT SAY I AM LYING abt the availability of MAC piracy, you will just become a laughing stock in the eyes of Mac Users.

PS. Pls grow up Windows Piracy Supporter Boy. Is your VISTA even real??!?!/ lol, what an irony it would be if you downloaded a pirated copy of VIsta for a company u so proclaim to love.

This will really be my last post, for i do not see a need to continue this debate. Go figure why. :)

sorry , a mistaken from last post.

First paragragh:: I HAVE NOT taken into account of LINUX which so happen to be FREE.

For your friend’s sake, ask him to get Openoffice for mac. ITs free and its close to Mircosoft Office which your friend will be comfortable in. As for MSN, ask your friend to google it, he will have alot free alternatives. For the rest, sorry… … No support for piracy.

Just in case you ask why i know where to get piracy if i do not support them My answer to you will be in form of a question:

Do you have to eat a chicken to know what a chicken is?

For your sake, by mentioning MSN in my post—> i meant MSN messenger.

@ Andrew

I am so sorry, but i really could not control myself. I really have to say this to you, If this post got truncated due to be over offensive, too bad then:

Do not make groundless claims/assumptions about Mac which you have done in most of your posts. Whenever you start making your views, i just cannot help to laugh to myself and saying ” OMG! Whats wrong with this guy? What is he saying? Is he really the designer he claims to be, or is he just a 12 yr old kid? Does he know that he is bashing his own favourite OS when he is replying me? Does he know that he had sub-conciously agreed to my views? haha! ”

Ok, Enough said. Windows OS is a great OS for the masses to play games on. A good OS for family fun GAMINGS. But when comes to other things, Mac or Linux is a better choice. So yep, Andrew i am taking my leave. Keep an open mind , to ALL things and you will be surprise to what u have been missing out.

@ANDREW

Andrew, Stop your juvenile arguments and your piracy ideology already. You just disgracing Windows user and making a clown out of yourself.

@BRATZ

Judging from both of your posts, you had it easy. I would agree that Mac ARE better in certain number of ways, however this does not mean that Windows is nowhere better. If you do so happen to check back to this post, I would not mind telling you the pros of Windows despite its reputation of crashes and Copying Mac OS X Tiger. This post is not to challenge you, but just to savage what ever damage that our dear friend ANDREW has done to Windows user world.

@Bratz

ohh…. you dont support piracy or you cant find it? no excuse baby…….. telling me the links doesnt mean you support piracy. even if you dont tell me, piracy is still there. it makes no differrence. world is cruel im sorry,and no one can stop it. Piracy is used by microsoft long time ago to market windows, and it was done sucessfully, because of piracy, Microsoft gets more and more user, its just the way of marketing. its like saying ” let them borrow mine, then after they got used to it, i’ll make them pay” Linux strategy is very similar, but later……..

do I have to say to my friend…. ” ohh even Bratz the mac boy doesnt know how to help ”
for the sake of my friend please help. he’s not a rich boy like you that can afford every single software. if you say Mac is cheap then I’ll say what about the softwares? maybe its ok for rich boy like you to spend $1000 on software, but not everyone like you

buying a mac is no problem at all, but after you bought one, your money will start to leak for softwares, and that is really uncool for not so rich people

if you’re not going to help here, just dont add more comment, yapping nonsense is useless, action is what i need here.

and i didnt miss anything. i missed buying mac, but thank god i didnt buy it

@Andrew

There There… … Don’t Cry Andrew… … Sssshhh.. … Don’t say anymore, for your sake i admit defeat.. .. For your Favourite Windows sake, Ssssshhhh… … Cause you don’t even know YOUR own WINDOWS… Piracy as Marketing strategy ? hahah… … Please…. … Just zipped it.. .. Yes, World is cruel my friend, for someone who does not know what is going even in his own world(is that even possible?). So Sshhhh…. ….

For your friend, i will give hints on the piracy. It consist of two website. One —>Fully organised, full list, RELIABLE torrents. Second—> Site with serials. Both consist Windows and Mac Programs. Name of the websites? One sounds a bit like demon,the other is pretty obvious(which i am surprised, YOU CANT FIND IT? Are you sure u know how to use your Internet Explorer or the serach engine?). So quit crying and saying unfair just becuase you lack the resources to search for something that you so dearly support(PIRACY). In fact, i think you supported Windows just because you can find piracy for it.

THANK GOD you missed buying Mac, for i doubt u will be happy with it. So Andrew, don’t cry , stay with Windows, be happy. Forget about Mac, Mac world is not for you. Piracy Marketing Strategy? hahaha.. .. OMG… .. ok.. .. Ssshhhh.. … Enough insults.. ..

@Raph

Hey Raph, think there is no need for your explanation. I do know what Windows is good for and What Windows arent good for. I am an ex-Windows user after all, and i do keep myself updated with the latest Vista. I am continuing this debate with Andrew just becuase its funny to see how Windows Fanboy Bashing his own favourite OS. Piracy marketing stratgey? LOL!!!!

@Bratz

yapping nonsense is useless, no proof and no action. dont hurt ur self trying to find my list of softwares. or are you already biting stone, coz ur so pissed, and now you want to make me pissed as well. i know you’re pissed my little friend, cant find it huh? ahahahaha, now you know what mac cant do. you can cry now, its ok. ask your mumma to buy you a PC

@Raph
my piracy ideology does not disgrace windows user. in fact 80% windows user have pirated software/music/video etc on their PC. torrent, limewire, kazaa,etc are full of “pirate”. please think before writing coments, you just making a clown out of yourself by not knowing this already.

@Andrew

Please .. .. Fanboy.. .. Wake up from your World… … Everyone Including you knows who is the Hot-Headed one. Come one, read your OWN posts, lol… … why should i get pissed at your little friend(which i doubt he even exist).. .. The fact still remains, I know of a one stop place with all programs(including Macs and Windows) and you don’t… … There is no need for me to prove anything(which you have been trying so hard for the past few posts and failed miserably), cause at the end of the day You are the one who is in denial… … ask my mama to buy a PC for me? hahah.. … she is bugging me to buy a Mac for her… …

And please, using piracy is not disgracing. Its the FANATIC-ism in you that is disgracing. There are two kinds of Mac and Windows Users. The pratical ones and the blind Fanatics. I am the practical one and you are different from me.

Oh , by the way.. .. No proof and action? Well, you can start off by proofing your posts to me. i wont ask much , just give me the evidence about your Microsoft using Piracy as their Marketing strategy bull crap. Lol… .. Raph is not disgracing himself, he is trying to save you from disgrace. And please do not say that Mac users cannot live without Windows, have you heard of CROSSOVER? I doubt so. Stop been in denial and following blindly without a mind of your own. I am not in denial, i keep myself update with Windows, Mac, Linux. In all my posts, i did not for once said that Mac rulez. I will jump the wallgon if i starting to see some other OS is giving better services. So you tell me, who is the small little boy who bash some other OSes just because he can’t find Pirated softwares for it.

Lastly, GROW UP… Not physically, MENTALLY. OMG, i really cannot believe someone like you actually exist.

I would advise you to take some Economics/Business/Accounting courses before you made such an unresponsible remarks about Bill Gates using Piracy for Marketing. I do not like Bill Gates, but i would not allow someone like you to insult another human being like that. If you having trouble in finding an explanation for huge market share. Let me give one reason: VOLUME Licensing… … Linux does not practice piracy, FOR YOUR INFORMATION.. .. Linux practice FREEWARES and OPEN-SOURCES.

If you cannot find any evidence abt piracy marketing strategy, forget about it. This is just to tell you something, your deeds are acts of a small boy who does not know the consquences of his/her own actions.

And please, do not give me more lies just to save yourself from embarassment. Like i said… … Sssshhhhhh… …

please enough already, im tired and im not getting anything from this.
let this board be peaceful again. Let the Flaming Stop.

about Bill Gates, he didnt actually said that he’s using piracy to market windows, but I read a magazine or article few years ago saying that. im not making any claim but that article said it. and i think its possible, if you think its not, its ok its your opinion

Andrew my boy, Like i said… .. Prove it, Do not just give me that u read from some unknown articles. As you said it, you THINK its possible, do not post it in forums like as though its the absolute truth. Guess you just do not get it do you? I am helping u here. Posting things like what you did for many posts can spell your doom. If you still do not get what i am trying to tell you, Ask you friends/parents around.

AND do not say to me to stop flaming, i am trying to end this flaming shit long time ago for i already see i am not getting anything from you either. You are the one who is trying to save yourself from embarassment , and continue to crap more from your a$$. Raph even step in to stop you, but nooooo. … you continued on… …

PS. i do not believe your story about a magazine talking Bill Gates using piracy, the fact is because BIll Gates will sue the magazine company’s Pants off for that. If you still do not get it, let me give you an example of stating things with reliable backings: Michael Moore. Watch his movie, he accuse President Bush of hell alot things, But with EVIDENCE. And he did not make any assumptions , he leave it open ended for the viewers to make their own judgement. You can learn a thing or two from him.

@Andrew

If you seriously want the flaming to stop, then stop your YAPPING of nonsenses about all Mac, Linux and Your beloved Windows. Its very simple, you stop it, naturally I will stop.

And if you do stop, i would advice you to think twice before deciding to post unreliable things online in future. If you do, be prepared to provide informations and evidence on them. Forgetting the sources is not an excuse. If the Article you mentioned do exist, i am sure they had their a$$ covered by some concrete evidence. For you, you don’t.

Just in case you were wonderin why i consistently refusing to give you the source, the reasons are very simple:I do not support piracy and the most impt of all i am covering my a$$. My country’s government is very efficient when comes to stopping piracy and i do not want to get involved in unecessary situations.

i seriously cant be bothered to check back for your replies. Its definitely gg to be crap again and i too get tired of your childish replies. So Good day to you and wish u success in finding your piracy.

@Bratz

you’re a low life uninteligent little shit, you dont deserve anything. everything you said is rubbish, selfish and an embarrasment to Mac users, instead….. everythin Andrew said is very very true
here’s the fact that andrew said

1.Mac user is childish : veryTRUE, like you are
2.Mac is more expensive on software : TRUE. honestly if you want all softwares installed on ma PC to be on ur mac, you’ll have to pay big bucks. I pay absolutely $0. you’ll be crying if I list them,so better not
3.PC does more thing than MAC :TRUE. its obvious why more ppl using PC rather than Mac, I bet military & government r more likely to use PC
4.Piracy and windows world are one : VERY VERY VERY TRUE,open your eyes kid, its everywhere, i bet u use MP3 as well, its pirated you know?? if you put every little piracy case into justice, then everyone in this world will be in Jail, including you
5. You cant Help Andrew find his softwares : VERY true, thats why PC does more thing than Mac, at least does thing in easier and cheaper way than mac.

go away, I bet you’re an underage kid who can just type for fun

It’s like comparing Apples to Oranges…. who cares. Everyone is a fanboy of something. I use a Mac, but I like my Laptop with Vista. So what? Blah blah blah is all I am hearing. It’s like trying to compare a DS to a PSP….. you can’t.

So really STFU

This was a fun read! Here’s a couple of thoughts from a guy who loves Apple products but also uses Windows based computers at home and at work. At the office, we are in a mixed PC/Mac environment. Our IT guy is a Windows type but even he admits that the vast majority of his day is spent dealing with Windows/PC issues. Cross-platform data transfer is seamless and Macs tend to run themselves. At home, I use a Mac but also keep a Windows based computer on hand to compare video on our website (www.ngtv.com) on both platforms. Never has the difference between a Windows based product and a Mac based product been more clear than my two recent purchases. I upgraded to an Intel MacBook (the black one) roughly a month after I purchased a new Windows Vista laptop from DELL. As far as the price goes, the DELL laptop actually cost a little over a hundred dollars more once I added enough memory to make the thing more functional. They also get you on sound card upgrades, which I fell for. DELL threw in a free upgrade to Vista Premium. Here’s the key: Macs just work. Better. Faster. More intuitive. I was up and running on my new Mac in less that five minutes. Even with only the resident 1GB of memory my Mac boots in 30 seconds. Then there was the DELL laptop. Top of the line. Upgraded memory. Upgraded sound card. Vista Premium. The process of starting up the laptop and getting it running: 2 hours. Why? The system makes you go through the entire start-up process for Windows Vista Basic and then repeat the entire process again for the upgrade to Premium. That is, if the product code included on the Vista Premium box actually worked. It didn’t. I had to go online (on my Mac) to find an 800 number to call. It took the woman THREE tries with three different codes to give me one that would permit the upgrade. Once that was done, no sound. Yep, somehow DELL sent out the laptop with no audio drivers. I had to call their tech support (which, by the way, was excellent) and spend 30 minutes on the phone with them (and via ethernet) to get an appropriate driver installed. Once all that was done, my machine was up and running. I couldn’t wait for that WOW experience the Vista ads promised. WOW became YAWN when I realized that all the pretty features shown in the ads were useless window dressing. Even more annoying, the “gadgets” (a cheap rip-off of Macs superior “widgets” feature, minus the desktop-friendly Dashboard) take up desktop space and are a pain to customize. If Microsoft wants to copy at least they could improve upon the thing they are ripping off. The other annoying things about Windows computers (even the fast ones) is the interminable wait for the system to boot. I went in and stripped out all the useless programs that come loaded into every PC (another waste of time) and it is still a good 5 minutes for the DELL to boot up, go through all the start-up programs, anti-virus utilities and Vista permission pop-ups (which drive me CRAZY) before it is to the point where it can search for and eventually connect to my wireless network. WHEW!!! Turn on the Mac, online and playing iTunes in 30 seconds. Turn on the PC, you haven’t seen the desktop yet. I’m sorry but I will take my Mac any day of the week with a side by side like this. BTW…Apple did not permit Windows to run on their Intel computers because it was a better operating system. They did it to make the switch to Mac easier for some people. Many consumers are willing to make the switch but they were also on the hook for tons of Windows-based software programs that would have been rendered useless. The ability to run Windows on a Mac means the elimination of a major road block for consumers. That’s called smart business…eliminating consumer objections. Funny, a few years back I used to scoff at Apple users. Then I bought my first iPod. Then a video iPod. Then an iMac. Then Apple TV. Then iPhone and a new MacBook. Needless to say, I’m not scoffing anymore. I have several friends and family members who are going through very similar experiences. Sorry guys, but I think Apple may be onto something here.