No ID? How shocking for UCLA “student”

sick people..
thank God for the Atlantic ocean between us.. :D

I never saw someone so unwilling to leave a Library before. Must be one dedicated student….ahhh, he didn’t want to be pulled away from his computer cause he was reading….. uneasysilence.com….or maybe he was licking the ink off of the books.

I’m so sick of retarded youth thinking that if they put up ridiculous fights and disobey laws that anything the police do in response is an abuse of power. It’s so annoying! It’s simple..you didn’t have an ID, the rules say you have to have one. Any normal person says ok, gets up and leaves..maybe frustrated that you forgot your ID, but it’s not the officers fault. Instead this idiot tries to make a stand for nothing. If you don’t do what police say you get in trouble. Stop whining and claiming that police are abusing their power..they are doing their job.

re: Kyle.

He was on his way out of the library after being told he had to leave. He was probably bitchy about it, but meh. I would be too if I was doing homework and because I forgot my id I had to stop. He got pissed when one officer grabbed him, and then another approached him (over reaction by the kid? probably). When he yelled at them to get away, the taser came out. He fell to the ground after the shock, and then they started shocking him because he wouldn’t stand up and leave (over reaction? definitely).

Enforcement of orders is not what a taser is for. They could have just as easily followed the kid out to begin with, or carry him out after they shocked him (which is what they ended up having to do anyway). They also threatened to shock other people who were asking for their badge numbers.

According to my friend who was actually there when it happened the officers wouldn’t stop tazing him for no reason. If the kid was able to get up or not, even if he WAS resisting arrest and not complying there is no reason to taze the kid for not moving while handcuffed. You can go limp when you are arrested, though it is considered resisting arrest, you should be able to expect not to be beating or abused for doing so. It is not only unlawful to taze someone in this position but to threaten to do it again and again if he doesn’t comply is sick. Consider this, what if the student “resisting arrest” wasn’t actually able to move his body for some unknown reason, related to the tazing or not. Would it then be ok to continue to brutally punish the kid until he does something that is impossible for his body to do at that time? Sue kid, and get those police officers with inadequate training off the streets.

Apparently the kid deserved it. Read the first few posts at this forum:

http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/showthread.php?t=12336

This reminds me of the whole Rodney King thing, where yes, it was horrible that he got his ass kicked, the media left out the part where King lunged at the officers posing as a threat.

Now, sure, they probably beat him a little TOO much, but as long as he posed as a thread, they were within their legal limits.

Same goes for this kid, he was not cooperating with the officers, so they can do whatever it takes to get the kid out of the building. And all they were using was a taser set on “Drive-stun” which only hurts for a few seconds, and screws with your muscles for less than 30. The kid had over 6 minutes to cooperate and leave the building.

i can guarantee you, most of the people whining about this are liberals, not to be negative towards them, but thats the way their minds think.

No offense, but any one listening would realize that the student said numerous times “I’m not resisting”, ” I said I would leave” and “I have a medical condition”. It should have stopped there. No question. Secondly, They were not Police, they were Campus Security, and after seeing how they treat people, they won’t be police any time soon. Lastly, eyewitness reports say that he got zapped the first time after he was grabbed from behind and pulled away before he knew who it was grabbing him. Ridiculous fights and disobey laws is hardly what I would call this. Coupled with the fact that on video, one of the Security Guards threatened to taser a student who asked for his “badge” number. At the end of the day the initial “offense” of not having a student ID handy doesn’t begin to merit the punishment. Not in the least the ethnicity is not an issue. This was horrible no matter who it was done to.

I hope more video surfaces, from people closer to the center of the conflict,
one report says he was leaving when he was grabbed,

and the officer to threaten a student asking for his badge number is way out of line

the trouble is the people security OR police are trained to react NOT trained to think and they do not react well or sensibly in way to many situations,

their job is to serve and to protect and that requires thinking NOT just reacting, if they would think, many situations would not escalate into violent and troubling confrontations with serious & deadly results

they think their job is to come home at night.. if they are not willing to err and put themselves in harms way they have NO business being a cop or security

I’ve been following this story since it broke and would like to respond to a few of the comments with some of the things I have read. I don’t know if they’re true or not, but they’re from firsthand accounts and stories in local newspapers.

The kid is a student, but just didn’t have his student ID on him. Instead of bothering to check to see if he was a student, the cops just tasered him.

When they tasered him, he was trying to leave peacefully.

While the police have the right to tell bystanders to back off, it’s my understanding that they are not allowed to refuse requests for their name and badge numbers. I’m also pretty sure that threatening to taser people who ask for their name and badge numbers could constitute police harassment and abuse of power.

Despite the “drive-stun” setting, multiple laboratory tests have indicated that some people may be physically unable to move after such a shock for up to fifteen minutes. Should he have been able to move? Yes. Could he? We’ll probably never know. I remember an episode of COPS where they tasered a guy here in Spokane. The guy was HUGE and all muscle (handcuffing him required two sets of cuffs). That taser dropped his ass to ground and he could barely move afterward. Granted, the setting there may have been stronger than “drive-stun”, but still.

And to respond in particular to GuyHersh’s statement of, “as long as he posed as a thread [sic], they were within their legal limits”: How much of a threat is posed by a college kid surrounded by half a dozen cops who have taser darts in him and can shock him at any moment? Non-compliance is annoying, but doesn’t really warrant tasering, even if it is legal.

Should he have left when he was first asked to? Yes. Was he an idiot for cussing at the police? Yep. Were the police being total dicks about the whole thing? You bet.

…at the age of 12 i had been choked out by a cop… not tazed.. i was tackled slamed against the hood of a car and choked.. infront of 3 friends and a old lady…. went to the police station complained about it.. cuz i had done nothing wrong at all.. me and my friends were playing tag in a open field… the reason i was choked out was becasue the cop said she got a report of kids running around a field and a lake looking suspicious …. and since we were playing tag.. the cop said i was running from her… i didnt even know there were cops and neither did my friends.. we were walking to my house when out of no where a cop yelled freeze and tackled me and my friend to the ground and i got up 1st adn she started choking me… i dont care what the 12 year old did… unless they have a weapon you dont need to tackle and choke out a 12 year old…

age 18, my friend was having a band practice and cops came for a noise complaint .. his momw as waterflowers and asked me to turn off the water and the gate didnt open so you have to STEP.. not hop jump or climb.. step over it.. and i steped over it and the cop went running to the other side of the house.. i am in view of his partner the full time and he jsut asked me to come by him so i did.. the other cop ran up on me slamed me against the house grabed my arm walked me towards the car steped on my foot threw me on the ground kicked me in the stomach because “i refused to get up” then slamed my head in a the car door. all of that infront of my friends mom his two little brothers and 5 friends…
made a report.. nothing happened because he was 100% allowed to use force if someone is not listening a officer

now tell me that not bullshit?!?!

also at the end of that video where the cop thretens to taze the kid in the white shirt for asking for a badage number.. iw oudl of let him taze me then taken his ass to court… not enough ppeopel think about money these days hahah

“The kid is a student, but just didn’t have his student ID on him. Instead of bothering to check to see if he was a student, the cops just tasered him.”

Irrelevant. Its not the job of the Police to check his ID. They were called there to eject him from the library. The policy is “You have to have an ID after 11″ not “You have to be a student after 11″.

“When they tasered him, he was trying to leave peacefully.”

Debatable. Some accounts say he was being deliberately slow about leaving, and then freaked the flip out when the cop grabbed him by the elbow. Still…

“Should he have left when he was first asked to? Yes. Was he an idiot for cussing at the police? Yep. Were the police being total dicks about the whole thing? You bet.”

Absolutely. I fully agree with this assessment. The kid was acting like a spoiled college ‘rebel’ kid, but the cops had debatable need to taser him even once let alone several times.

Bottom line is: Its not surprising he got tasered. For better or worse, you HAVE TO comply with police. If you do not comply, you have to face the consequences of non-compliance. The grown up thing to do on his part would have been leave the building promptly, return with ID. Failing that, leave with the police civily and straighten it out outside. The kid decided to take the “Help-I’m-so-oppressed” course of action, and that is how the cops treated him.

The grown up thing for the police to do would have been to cuff him and carry him out, instead of tasering him multiple times. They should be fired or severely disciplined. He should and probably will sue.

Thomas Brown, you again the voice of reason! I went to UCLA, and we all were aware that the campus police were best avoided…all of the bad instincts that the “real” police–the LAPD, that is–have, and none of the training. It was a striking contrast to UCSD, where I transferred from…at UCSD, the campus police were actually trained and helpful (for example, if you found yourself too drunk or whatever to get safely home, they’d come pick you up and take you there, no questions asked).

There is nothing worse than having a knucklehead who can’t manage to be a real cop (again, even an LAPD real cop) barking orders at you, especially if the crime you’ve committed is to not have your papers on you while at the library.

When bystanders understandably pleaded for the tasering to stop, the “police” then threatened THEM. Maybe I’d better earmark my alumni fund contribution to put a metal floor across the whole library, in case things get REALLY out of hand, and some idiot with a badge wants to zap the entire student body into compliance at once. Sure, it would stun hundreds of innocent bystanders, but with any luck, it would give these bozo “security” forces a taste of their own medicine.

wow.. thats disturbing. i agree with him being stupid about not leaving at first, but after he was already trying to leave when the cops grab him, thats already a little over kill . tasering him first time after the cursing, thats already over the line. but tasering him more than once because he couldn’t/wouldn’t move, thats just wrong. then theres the fact that they didn’t give name and badge number, threatened people with the taseres that weren’t being threatening in anyway other than being to close. yea, i just want to see how deep of a hole these officers dug them selfs into.

First off, do you really think they are going to stop in the middle of everything and give their “badge numbers” out to whatever moron shouts it out from the crowd?

Nobody(here anyways) saw what happened from that video, so how can you be so absolute in one theory or another. None of you have any clue what you are commenting on really. You guys just filled in the missing places(which was close to 90% of the incident) with your own little fantasy of what actually took place.

Pointless to speculate, unless of course you are naturally ignorant or have a premeditated bias towards the police or the suspect.

I will say that that little spoiled brat frat boy has a big mouth and screams like a girl. I’ve been hit by a taser and at the proper setting the last thing you want to do is scream at the top of your lungs. It’s full shock value numbs you into compliance, as it was designed to do.

Uh, “middle of everything”? Yes, I think the cops should be able to identify themselves when asked, even if they are busy electrocuting one student and threatening the rest.

Or maybe a larger font on them badges, anyhow.

I think alot of people commenting on this incident, not here mostly, but lots of other forums on the net are *woefully* ignorant of how the world works.

I have heard the following:

Myth: Campus police aren’t real police, they are rent-a-cops, so what are they doing tazing the kid. What are they even doing carrying tazers?
Fact: Most college campus police units have the same powers as municipal police

Myth: Its a public library, so he had every right to be there
Fact: There is no truly ‘public’ place that you can’t be escorted out of. The UCLA library is definitely not one.

Myth: I don’t have to comply with what a cop tells me to do if I correct my behavior on my own
Fact: Its illegal to not comply with what a policeman tells you to do, and even if he tells you to do something questionable, its better to comply, or you risk being shot, beat, or tasered. Its best to either sort it out later in court or worst case let them arrest you and sort it out.

At roger

They don’t have to give their badge numbers. Do you understand that much? Not on the spot they don’t. Later if it is requested through the proper channels then it will be provided per standard procedure.

That aside, they would be doing themselves, the suspect, and anyone else involved in the incident a disservice by not giving their full undivided attention (irregardless of what you think they were doing right or wrong at the time) to current situation.

Basically, they don’t have to tell you sh*t because you spit out some BS about the bill of rights. You watch to much TV.

fuck you american police

Students should of rushed the pigs. Turned those tasers on the piggys and watch them fry.

Well done Jimmy.

While you are being so unabashedly sweeping in your criticism for wide segments of our population, care to share us your thoughts on Jews and Chinese as well?

I would expect nothing less then another entertaining remark.

@ mackmack

Ha ha, you’re deliberately sounding illiterate to amuse me, right? “Irregarless,” priceless!

I realize I should be making fun of Jimmy instead, but I don’t know if dislike of campus “police” really makes him a racist.

Seriously, I think we can agree that at best this was poorly handled. Civil servants should be, well, civil. Even if this was a drunk frat boy, from all accounts it sounds like these boys might have gone all Kent State before they managed to escort one student from the buiding.

All he was guilty of was not having an ID in a computer lab because he was studying late. What did you do to get repeatedly stunned? Or do you have some kind of USB-stunner that’s stunning you right now?

Okay, now I’m the moron, I spelled the non-existent word wrong, kinda screws my uppitiness, don’t it?

What the FUCK is with those students standing around and WATCHING that kid get tazed!?!?!?

Have they no balls at all? They out-numbered the SGs by 7 to 1 for crying out loud and they frickin’ LET the SGs hit that kid a second time!!!

Those students standing around watching are nothing but sickening half-dead exucses for humans – didn’t even TRY to protect their own kind.

They suck!

Here’s an update. The kid is suing. http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39009

Most of them are probably standing around watching because they know it is illegal to interfere with an officer in the performance of his duties. The other self-righteous, mouthy, punks are standing around because that’s all they can do. Lippy little pricks!

Its too bad that poor quality television has conditioned some youth to think they are entitled to four years of righteous indignation during their post-secondary studies.

The student-activist rallying against authority cliché is old and boring. Get over yourselves – its not the 60s anymore.

That being said, the officers didn’t make the best judgement call by repeatedly tazering the retard in front of an unfriendly crowd. They should have just carried him out after he refused to get up.

Wow, thanks for that update, PVL.

So, the only guy with dark skin gets asked for ID. For some reason he finds this offensive, but still agrees to leave. When the police grab him, he goes limp…and then they taser him.

When other students protest today, the police turn out their lights, lock their doors, and put on riot gear. Watch out, students! …if one guy in studying in a lab at night gets electrified, they’re likely to nuke 400.

Isn’t it funny how all of the “facts” in this story are unprovable? The video doesn’t show what happened before the little buttnugget got tazered… Just because someone says they’re leaving or that they’re cooperating doesn’t mean they are actually doing so. Cooperating AFTER breaking a law doesn’t negate the infraction. He saw an opportunity to draw some attention and got more than he bargained for… sure, he’ll try to sue, doesn’t mean he’s justified or right or will win.

Just another example of something being totally blown out of proportion.