Run MacOS 9 on an Intel Mac

Does the serial interface, or the ethernet work from this setup?

I must be missing something here, but how can I get SheepShaver to see my 7.0.1 smi disk image?

Never mind, figured it out :-)

Are we stuck with 9.04 or can we go up to 9.1 and 9.2?

I havn’t gotten 9.2 to load, but I have had success with 9.1

Why doesn’t Apple themselves make this available for the Intel Macs. I am putting off getting an Intel mac until I can get one of my “classic” apps ported over to OS X.

I don’t know why. I have been getting wonderful speeds on this application.

for the 9.1 disc I receive an error “The startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model.” how did you manage to get 9.1 installed? :-)

I’m not quite as adept with macs yet – how is it that i use the downloaded 7.0.1 with this? I get the machine to start but it can’t see anything to boot from and just gives me a blinking floppy cursor

I assume you are doing this on an Intel Mac

Can anyone post the file mentioned above:

I found a ROM available to download, and fully compatible with Sheep Shaver here.

The file sharing system is overloaded and not wanting to downoad it for me!

So how are people getting Sheepshaver to recognize the 7.0.1 install image?

Dan,

do you need any extra magic to make the 9.1 work? and what… :-) many thanks…

Intel Mac – yes

To philip: I think Steve Jobs put it best at WWDC 2005 when he said “the transition is complete”. I paraphrase, OS 9 is the past, OS X is the future.

OS 9 still has some very useful apps, and I miss it from time-to-time. However, Apple wants to move forward, in the same way Microsoft recently EOL’d 98 and Me. As I recall, the law says a product must be supported for 7 years. Apple’s done that with OS 9.

I was actually able to get the “classic environment” running on my DTK. I forget exactly how I did it, but I’m going to try again on my MacBook. If I manage it, I’ll post instructions at my site (above).

Note that some legacy CDs of MacOS may be machine specific. This could cause problems trying to install. You’ll need a generic version.

By coincidence, Low End Mac are lamenting the loss of access to legacy apps with Intel Macs. This will be a great breakthrough for schools who are still getting good mileage out of some of the old programs.

How does one get it working with a Disk Image downloaded from Apple? I’m trying (like others) to get it working with the 7.0.1 Image available for free, but just get the flashing floppy disk with a big “?” on it….

Is there some step we’re all missing?

I downloaded the Mac OS 9.0.4 Update.smi but I’m not sure if that’s all I need, and if it is, how to get the emulator to boot off it it. I added it as a volume, but the emulator still blinks “floppy icon” at me.

Dilemma – the link given as the Apple site for downloading OS 9 is valid, but not the content – the link is for OS 9 updates only. You have to start with System 9.0 to update, which leaves us to tracking down a copy of of OS 9. Any solutions?

yes, I’d like to know how to get the 7.0.1 image to work too

SheepShaver runs MacOS 7.5.2 thru MacOS 9.0.4

Great possibilities,

Big Question: the OS 8 installer screen does not find a valid existing volume and prompts me to do a clean install. SHOUL !? Is there any danger to my existing OSX?

Thanks again. Waiting for a sign.

Does it work with PPC? Woud I need it in the first place since it runs OS9?

How are the graphics performance?

Neal Saferstein

If you do a new volume as specified in the instructions you should be more then fine. But I must say as a full disclaimer that before you do anything drastic on your computer you should always BACKUP!!!!!!

Neal, the graphics are okay. Kinda weak.

I’m using a os 9.0 retail disc, but all I get it is the floppy disc with a flashing “?” inside it. Any thoughts? I’m using an intel iMac 20″, with SheepShaver set to a 350 MB volume, and 256 MB RAM. Must…….play……..Barrack!

I have an existing volume on my old PowerPC Mac, can I copy it to the new volume? It has 9.2.2 and all my software.

For those getting the flashing question mark, try holding the “C” key down when you start. This makes the Mac look at the CD for install rather than from floppies.

Only classic apps I need is Myst and Riven, so when I finally upgrade to the Intel Macs, I’m going to be coming back to this page! :D

I own a Mac OS 8 Retail disk. But for this disc I receive an error “The startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model.� Any ideas?

So now I have OS 9.0 on my machine and now I want software for it. Any sites on the net where I can find it?

That error shouldn’t be happening for a Retail disc

Hello,

Thanks again.

Is there a way to install an OS 9 from an existing volume (my oldie?)

Perhaps using CloneX? Which folder would the system be restored to exactly?

This is going to help my students out immensely!

http://homepage.mac.com/last_modified/sheepshaver/7.5.3.gif

1: I don’t have a generic OS 9 CD, only an iMac DV specific OS 9 CD. It boots, but it refuses to install.

2: I can’t figure out how to mount the OS 7 self-mounting-images from Apple’s website. I get a “not recognized” error on my MBP, and I haven’t found a way to get at the image from within SheepShaver directly.

The disk utility should be mounting the SMI’s they did for me. and the CD MUST be generic.

dmydlack – I’m not sure – I can test it if you want?

Thanks so much for your continued support. This is really an important piece of work unfolding here.

I’m trying to figure out how to get this to work, but I can’t. I’m on linux (i386), and have several .dmg files as well as System_7.5.3_01of19.smi.bin from apples site, but I’m at a loss as of what to do next. I have tried adding these as volumes, as well as symlinking /dev/cdrom to these files, all to no avail. Do I need to burn these images to disk (sounds a bit silly to waste a cd-rom on?), or is there a way to get this to work without burning them. And yes I tried holding down the C key while booting. I’m always getting the screen with the floppy and the question mark.
That is, if I get anything at all, because half of the time when I hit start, I’m only getting a black window.

All versions of Mac OS before 8.1 require an HFS volume (aka “Mac OS Standard”), NOT HFS+ (aka “Mac OS Extended”).

So users trying to intall 7.0.x, 7.5.x, 7.6.x or 8.0 need to create an HFS volume first.

Versions 8.1 to 9.2.2 work on both HFS and HFS+ (HFS+ preferred).

HFS volumes of more than 2 GB would probably be bad ideas if they even happen to work.

Also keep in mind that before OSX a system folder could simply be copied like any other folder, which is simpler and faster than using the installer if you already have a pre-OSX Mac at hand to handle the copy (because Mac OS X’s Finder wouldn’t set the volume’s “blessed” folder after copying it, requiring some unneccessarily hairy workaround). To be safe you’d need a reasonably fresh and universal system folder to copy.

When i push start after i have done the settings in GUI, the system (i run 9.0) starts up, background with lots of “cd” pictures, and then the system ask me to
“inizilize the disc, because it cant be red by the computer”.
Can i safely push the botton to initalize? If i dont, i cannot install.

Picture of the screen:
http://static.flickr.com/88/223035818_48d6073187.jpg?v=0

Got it running. Now just to find some cool old software to run! Any pointers or suggestions?

Hi
Doesn’t works here… using MacBook Pro 2.16 GHZ under 10.4.7
The ROM is correct and can boot from CD the Mac OS 9 but when try to install then crash always in any way.
I create correctly the image from GUI and also try the terminal command and also try .DSK. Nothing!!!! Always crash. This SheepShaver is absolutely unstable and can’t be used as a solution. No support.
Basilik works great under Mac OS X but this one not.
I try also to boot on an image with OS 8.1 pre-installed under Basilik but crash… It’s a pity… I NEVER upgrade to Mac Pro 2 AFTER running OS 9… need it for old applications that never will update to cocoa, carbon or Universal binary.

Question about LAN remains… would be great to know!

David, check out Low End Mac for some old software links:

http://www.lowendmac.com/sw.html

To run the older OS’s like system 7, you need an OldWorld ROM. I don’t know which ROM (or NewWorld ROMfile) was linked to in this article, but I’m willing to bet it’s a NewWorld ROM, which is not compatible with any OS earlier than 8.1, iirc.

To get an OldWorld rom image, you need to image a REAL Mac, like a Quadra, and use that file for the ROM. These are not freely downloadable as the ROM above is, and may require a little legwork to locate.

But that’s the most likely reason you can’t get system 7 running correctly.

This page describes it in greater detail: http://www.zisman.ca/Articles/2006/LEM-Classic-on-Intel.html

Someone asked about SheepShaver and System 7.0.1. SheepShaver can emulate a PPC Mac and will only work with MaOS 8.5, 8.6, 9.0 and 9.0.4.

BasiliskII (also available as Universal binary) emulates a 68k Mac and can run earlier system versions (up to MacOS 8.1), depending on the ROM file used.

Mini vMac (separate PPC Mac and Intel Mac versions) can emulate a Mac Plus.

More about SheepShaver see:
http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:sheepshaver
More about BasiliskII see:
http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:basilisk2
More about Mini vMac see:
http://minivmac.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html
Forums about Mac emulation:
http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/index.php

Seriously guys, get with the times. OS 9 is old, worthless and outdated. OSX has been out over half a DECADE. If you are still using applications that run in OS 9 you have serious attachment issues. If you find one thing you like and expect to never move from it you should just stop using computers now.

Here’s what I found in brief testing of SheepShaver 2.3 (20060515) with Mac OS 9.0.4 and 1.6 ROM:

Things that launched:
-Internet Explorer 4.5
-TurboTax
-QuickBooks 4
-QuarkXPress 4 and 5

Things that partially worked:
-Virex gives corrupted cursor when scanning

Thing that didn’t work:
-Outlook 2001 gave the error, “The application was unable to start due to an error. Please contact customer support.�
-Office 98 launch caused SheepShaver to quit without an error.
-Maelstrom 1.4.3 gave the error “Maelstrom ran into a problem loading in the sounds file. The sounds are either not in the proper format or there wasn’t enough memory to load them in.�
-Tamale Loco comes up with a black screen

This compatibility list may also to apply to the Intel Mac version of SheepShaver:
http://mes.emuunlim.com/macemu/ssx86/working_apps.htm

Dear Some Guy,

All I need OS 9 for are the older games which have no OSX version. Let alone an Intel one. I’d rather have such apps running natively on my Intel Mac…. but I can’t. At least this provides some help.

Same thing with windows. I need for the some of the apps it has. I didn’t get Bootcamp for the Start Menu surely.

I’m booting from the CD just fine, but when the drive setup runs for the first time, it says the drive is locked and that there is no permission to initialize. I’ve set permissions in OS X for that directory to completely open, so I don’t know what could be wrong.
This is on an Intel iMac by the way, HFS+ formatted drive. Any suggestions appreciated.

I’m trying this on a Macbook with 2 gigs of RAM.

Once I press the start button I get an error message that says “this startup disk will not work on this Maintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model.” btw, I’m using OS 9.2.1 CD as my startup disk.

What now? Has anyone gotten this to work? I’d much rather run OS 9 than Windows on my Macbook.

Hi… Finally -> Trash Sheep Shaver for Intel-Based Macs.
After a sucessfully installation of OS 9 then the unix hard disk that share the Mac OS X environment DESTROY any file or folder that you are planning to use under OS 9. The icon turn to white and can’t use it.
The idea is good but is FAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR of a release version. Very buggy…. the only chance we have today is to run Sheep Shaver Windows version under Parallels WorkStation 2.1 that use Windows XP as virtualization on Macs Intel Based. Yes, is a disaster…. but no chance today.
It’s a pity, but the creator of Sheep Shaver seems to unsupport this unique solution for running Mac OS 9.

I downloaded the Mac_OS_ROM file and put in my SheepShaver folder. I opened the sheepshaverGUI ap but can’t work out what to do to create the the volume.

I click on “add” and get the path to my sheepshaver folder in the window. The I select “create” and I get the same navigation window. What do I do now. So I put a name “Sheepshaver_Volume” into the box, then click “ok” a file is created with this name in the sheepshaver folder.

click Start and it says “sheepshaver error can’t open ROM file”.

What is going on?

As a general rule when writing instructions please be specific, (ie do you give the new volume a name and if so what are the naming rules etc) and don’t leave out bits that seem obvious but really aren’t to everyone (or at least to moron’s like me)

works for me…got 8.5…to boot…really buggy…can’t connect to network,frequent crashes, hypercard and 9 to 5 reports data pro for hypercard seem to be working…but can’t print to ethernet printer because of failure to connect to network…nonetheless, I like the potential of what this could someday become as a viable way to keep Classic alive on Intel Macs…congrats on improving “how to” versus “how to” as available on SheepShaver site!

Newbie here – have a MacPRO coming in that I would dearly love to run VisualFoxPro 3.0 on in Classic mode (Parallels not supporting at this time). Any/all guidance on getting SheepShaver in place & working would be appreciated! MacPro is 3GHz model with 8GB RAM and PLENTY of hard disk space available.

can’t get it to install OS9.0 (generic install disk) on my Intel Mini w/10.4.7 running. The installer updates the hard disk drivers and then starts the OS install then crashes. Hard disk image is 400MB, RAM was set to 256MB…

Anyone have any ideas to make it work???
-alex-

I’ve been running OS 9.0.4 on my Intel iMac for several months now and once set up properly, it works great. Stable enough for my needs.

* Networking fine. Both IE 5 & Current iCab browse perfectly in OS 9.0.4.
* Sound, games work – Arkanoid, Firefall arcade work just fine. Several of my kids edutainment CD’s work fine as well.

Two hardest parts of setting up:
1. Finding the correct ROM. Tip use the ROM file from here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60408

Problem – you need to run TOME viewer in classic / OS 8-9 to extract the ROM from here.

2. Getting a proper boot disk. Sheepshaver runs 8.5, 8.6, 9.0 upto 9.0.4 fine.

Best instructions for set up & config (by Ronald) are here:
http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3193

After 20 mins of downloading DLLs one by one, it still won’t start, and the ROM isn’t downloadable because it’s on rapidshare. Please upload it somewhere where people can download it.

Roger,

I had this same problem. It will only create the virtual disk image at the root level of your HD. Don’t try to put it in another directory. Click Create, give the file a name (in the window that opens) and click OK.

Hey…bhaveshp

sounds great! The latest install disk, not from a computer purchase, that I own is 8.5 which is upgradeable to 8.6. A question about networking…
is your network running through a router? Wondering if 8.6 just doesn’t have sufficient resources. cheers

Well, I’ve had SheepShaver and 9.1 installed for about two months on a MacBook Pro 15″, and have been pretty happy with it. However, the biggest problem that I have is that you can’t stay connected to a server. Browsing works fine (iCab, IE) but using Chooser to connect to an AppleTalk share on an OS X Server 10.4 system is iffy. I can pull a directory from the share (albeit V-E-R-Y slowly), but if I try to download a file or open one, or even Get Info on one, the connection is severed.

So, not only can’t I grab files, I also can’t print to a networked printer, and I can’t run server-based apps like FileMaker Pro or TimeSlips. TS is the killer for me; my boss won’t let go of it, but I’m getting my iMac G4 replaced next week with an iMac Core Duo 17″, so I really need to get this ironed out.

Anyone else have these issues?

Oh, and “shared folders” with the OS X side are terribly implemented; losing resource forks, and folders show as files…

Erm, now that I think about it, I don’t have 9.1, just 9.0.4… sorry… :)

this is fantastic. finally i can use old programs such as EQS (statistical modeling software) that are not available on os X and never will be it seems.

i have a macbook pro with 2gig ram and i followed the instructions above and got some extra help here:

http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3179

My wireless internet works flawlessly in 9.0.4 (available via p2p) and i can easily transfer files by using the chooser and appletalk to connect to my macbook pro just by throwing its ip address into the chooser. boom!

thanks!

Could someone please upload it somewhere other than Rapidshare, it doesn’t work for BT users.

Some Guy: When some writes an OSX audio editor as good Alchemy, an outliner as good as In Control, a combo bitmap/object-oriented draw program like SuperPaint, and makes a sheet scanner with a 2×9 inch footprint like PaperPort, I will be happy to abandon Classic. Until then, you don’t know wtf you are talking about.

To those having difficulties, here are some tips/basic principles I’ve manged to figure out (this thing is like solving RIven, fer cryin out loud. Is it too much to ask to supply decent minimal, step-by-step documentation?):

I have 8.6 booting. I used a general distribution CD and the ROM file from it.

- For the “volumes” thing, you need to do a “create” from within SS GUI. This will create some kind of file of the size you specify, but it’s not a disk image. I tried making a DMG and was able to install 8.6 on it, but could never get SS to boot from it. Anyway, after you’ve “created” the disk file (I gave mine a “.dsk” extension because that’s what the author did, I don’t know if it’s important) then you launch SS or press “Start” from SS GUI (the installer CD must be in the drive and mounted beforehand). Mac OS should boot, and it will say the disk is unreadable. The size indicated in the dialog should correspond to the size you specified in SS GUI, which should reassure you somewhat that it’s not going to erase your main drive. Give it a name (I used the same name I specified in SS GUI, again, I don’t know if it’s important). Go ahead and do the initialization. When Mac OS is done booting the created disk should appear on the Mac OS desktop. Run the installer (on the CD), using the disk image as the target. I turned off most installer options, including “update hard disk drivers”. Quit SS (Mac OS will ask if you want to shut down, say OK). Eject the CD, run SS, and Mac OS should boot from the disk image.

- The “UNIX Root” thing. This field in SS GUI translates to the “extfs” parameter in the prefs file (be nice if this was mentioned somewhere, huh). The author specifies a file in his recommended prefs (I think), which seems weird to me; I’d think it should be a directory. I’m obviously not a Linux geek. Anyhow, whatever directory this ends up pointing to becomes the root directory of the “Unix” volume that ends up mounted on the Mac OS desktop. People have warned not to just leave this field set at the default drive root, I’m not sure why. I’m also not sure what the point of this whole Unix drive is, because I can’t get anything from the two worlds to work together (see below).

MY PROBLEM – How do I get Classic Apps into the Mac OS environment such that they will work? The apps that came over from the installer disk launch fine. MY classic apps, copied from OS X into either the virtual disk or left in the Unix volume, appear as “documents” and will not launch. Conversely, if I copy one of the apps from the installer disk into the Unix volume (just for fun), OSX sees it as document and not a Classic app. WTF? Any help will be much appreciated, thanks.

On my intel mac mini (1gig ram) I can’t get myst 3 exile to run at full speed. I hope the next version will be faster.

Yeah Julia D…

amen…isn’t PaperPort the coolest…still have two of them in operation and can’t imagine not being able to use them, SuperPaint still in use, as well as Hypercard on a daily basis
I just don’t get why Apple doesn’t have a simple utility like SS to keep years of past work relevant and accesible
re: your problem
I am running SS on a G5 quad to test it under osX for eventual move to an intel machine…perhaps a laptop…so I don’t know that my install will create the the same scenario as yours, but the UNIX volume shows up on my 8.6 desktop and file transfer between the two works fine…in fact, since I haven’t been able to get networking to work, when I want to move a file from another drive to the os 8.6 desktop I first put it into My osX drive and then move it from the UNIX folder to my os 8.6 drive and everything docs and apps have worked fine

I got 8.5 to install, but it won’t run after the installation. It just closes down halfway through. Any ideas?

Slow as hell and incredibly buggy, crashes for nothing. Far away from usable. Very poor integration with the host OS. Tip: if you want to exchange files to SheepShaver, first compress them using DropStuff (.sit) then move to SheepShaver then uncompress. Otherwise your Mac files will loose their resource forks and they will be unusable. I wonder if someone could make the actual Classic environment run under Rosetta…

Hi all,

Many users ask how to make network run.

No problem, when using the Serial/Network TAB of the GUI, roll the NetWork TAB and it will show you the word “slirp”. That’s all, folks!

GL…
configured as you say but cannot access network

By the way, does anyone know if Works 4.0 will run on the Sheep Shaver classic?

i’m on an intel mac. i got to the part where you create a ‘virtual volume’ (i assume you can name it whatever you want and put it in the Sheep Shaver application folder?).

then i click on ‘start’ and it tells me that I have an ‘unsupported ROM type’ (i downloaded the one that is linked in the instructions, not the one directly from Apple, but the other one).

what have i done wrong??? thanks for your help!

So… no one else has this problem of applications being seen as documents and not launchable? wtf…

I should have mentioned that I’m on an Intel MacBook.

Could it be because my apps are currently stored on an HFS+ volume? I did format the SS virtual disk as HFS…

I can’t try Gil Sicuro’s tip of stuffing and unstuffing because I can’t get an unstuff utility (or any other program except what came off the install CD) to run in the classic environment – Catch-22.

Julia

Having issues with the volume creation…

I go under “volumes,” click “create,” set volume size for 300MB, go down the file path to where my SheepShaver folder is located, and then press “OK.” After that, the volume creation window goes away, and there is nothing listed in the volumes list on the main window. I clicked “go” anyway just for the heck of it, and there was not volume available for use when I booted 9.0.4 successfuly. All I got was a window asking me if I wanted to reformat the disk that 9 couldn’t recognise, which was my laptop’s HD, which I didn’t want to change.

What am I doing wrong in the volume creation stage? Any ideas?

Using a MacBook Pro running 10.4.7.

Thanks,

Doc.

Please disregard above comment of mine. I reread the posts, and found the error of my ways. Sorry to cause any inconvenience.

Doc.

Hi confused,

Are you using the OS 9 disk? Because I think the OS ROM only supports OS 9. I got 8.5 installed using the OS ROM downloaded from here, but Sheep Shaver keeps crashing halfway through reboot so I’m guessing it’s because I didn’t install the right OS to go with the ROM. Just a thought anyway.

Julia, transferring the applications may have stripped the type and creator off the applications, or you may not have transferred both the data and resource forks. I’m pretty sure OS 8.6 can cope with HFS+ so it almost certainly isn’t that.

There is a terminal command, a variant of the Unix cp, which will copy Mac files intact but you need to have the developer tools installed (join the Apple Developer Connection for free first if you don’t have these). It is called CpMac and preserves the resource fork when copying files. There is another one called GetFileInfo which will give you the type and creator of the file.

These tools are in /Developer/tools and to use them the easiest way is to change to that directory:
cd /Developer/tools
and then
./CpMac
or
./GetFileInfo
The simplest way to find the file path is to drag the application or destination folder as appropriate from the Finder into the Terminal window – its path will appear automatically, including the escape character \ in front of things like spaces and brackets.

There are other attributes listed for these tools – to find out how to use them, enter
man GetFileInfo
or
man CpMac
and Ctrl-Z to get out of the man command when you have read enough.

I’m talking theoretically here as I don’t have an Intel Mac yet because my most important application, which holds all my family history data, is Gene which runs under Classic and for which there seems little hope of an update, the developer having failed to answer my email asking for confirmation that he is going to do it. I hope this discussion leads to a clear path to being able to run Sheepshaver, at which point I will go Intel.

Here’s what I got when I ran GetFileInfo on Gene:
MyPowerBookG4Name:/Developer/tools myusername$ ./GetFileInfo /Applications\ \(Mac\ OS\ 9\)/Gene\ 4.3.4\ \306\222/Gene
file: “/Applications (Mac OS 9)/Gene 4.3.4 Æ’/Gene”
type: “APPL”
creator: “@GN4″
attributes: avBstclInmed
created: 04/29/2001 22:16:57
modified: 04/29/2001 22:16:57

If you find that type and creator are empty in your copy, that is what is wrong and you should use CpMac to do the copy. If there are entries, it could still be the case that CpMac will copy the application intact and you should use it to make your copy.

Of course this requires a certain amount of knowledge of how to use Terminal and maybe also of the Unix directory structure on your Intel Mac (the drag and drop path trick should help there as long as you can see both the application and where you want to copy it to).

Good luck

Ian

Julia,
Try burning your applications to a CD within OS X (and you might as well toss all of the other stuff on to the CD as well) and then having the CD in the drive before you launch sheepsaver. I would recommend using ResEdit to change the file type of your applications to APPL if they appear as docs (I too have this issue) . I have been transfering my files into the ‘unix’ share as selfextracting archives created using stuffit within osx (be sure to create .sit not sitx sea’s) but I still need to change the file type from within OS9 (9.0.4) to APPL as the LPPA file type won’t work. I also can’t get my network working completely (although I can see my server in the network browser) I can’t mount the server or see my laserjet.
I’m using:
system 9.0 updated to 9.0.4
the ROM from Mac OS ROM update 1.0
512MB RAM allocate to OS9 within the SSgui
a 2GB boot drive image

running on an iMac Core Duo
If I can’t get my printer to work I’ll try and use Adobe Acrobat to print pdf’s
I’ll keep pounding…

Two questions: I had MacOS 8.5 running last night just fine on the MacBook. This morning plugged in a SmartDisk USB floppy drive to install the first application. MacOS 8.5 started to boot up and then dropped from sight. I unplugged the SmartDisk, restarted the MacBook, which then did not complete its restart (had to re-power). Now McOS 8.5 starts to boot up and then drops from sight every time. Frustrating! Any advise? Also once (if) I get it re-going how do I install applications to it? Thanks

When i push start after i have done the settings in GUI, the system (i run 9.0) starts up, background with lots of “cd� pictures, and then the system ask me to
“inizilize the disc, because it cant be red by the computer�.
Can i safely push the botton to initalize? If i dont, i cannot install.

Picture of the screen:
http://static.flickr.com/88/223035818_48d6073187.jpg?v=0

Thanks, Ian and jroryb, I’ll hie myself to Staples asap and pick up some CD-R’s. I have seen signs of the APPL vs LPPA thing, so that’s probably it, but I haven’t been able to run anything to change types/creators while in Mac OS. Don’t have anything that can make .sit files anymore either, I think the free version of Stuffit can only make .sitx right? I’ll look around for a Mac OS version of File Buddy or similar, I guess.

I got my printing working (IP printing as I didn’t realize that appletalk isn’t functional under SS) In answer to the question from Mazz above — When you created a drive image within the SSgui it is a bare drive as far as OS9 is concerned; therefore it needs to be initialized by OS9 (use HFS Extended format), then you can instal OS9 on the “disk” you just initialized. RockDad probably needs to move his install stuff over to a CD from within OS X and then mount the CD within the SS OS9.

Get OS 9 retail:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3498222/

Progress! Putting my Mac OS applications on a CD worked! After copying them from the CD into the SS virtual disk they still launch, cool. Bad news is that audio playback from Alchemy is so stuttery that it’s useless, I guess I’ll be stuck with editing audio in OSX. Can’t open documents from the Unix volume, so I guess I’ll have to try the self-extracting or .sit archive trick. Does anyone know a free or inexpensive alternative to StuffIt Deluxe for creating .sea or .sit archives?

I tried this with the links to the ROM and OS provided, but SheepShaver doesn’t seem to read the disk. I burned the image to a CD but when I start up SS, it immediately ejects the disk, and flashes a disk w/ question mark. Anyone?

Julia,
I have another solution for you —> Create a blank drive image with DIsk Utility (this will be a .dmg) Make sure it is read/write and NOT SPARSE. Next, put the path to this image into the SheepShaver_prefs via the SSgui (as a volume)
BEFORE you boot SS, you can mount the image in OSX and put on any files/programs you want; then UNMOUNT the image from OSX. NOW boot SS. All of your stuff should appear WITHOUT any issues. DON’T have the image mounted by both OS9 and OSX at the same time… very baaaaaaaad so to speak.

Thanks, jroryb, but I can’t get it to work. I made the .dmg image (how do I know it’s not “sparse”? I can’t find anything in Disk Utility about sparse…), mounted it in OSX, put stuff in it, added it as a volume in SSGUI: “/Volumes/SSxfer/” (my image is called “SSxfer.dmg”) unmounted it, then launched SS. No sign of the volume in SS.

I just got an Intel 17-inch imac and really need some of my system 9 applications. I downloaded sheepshaver and the rom, no problem. My problem is the startup disk.

I downloaded something calling itself “startup Disk 9.2.1smi”. Is that what I needed. If so, what do I do with the file to get the GUI to recognize and use it (no flashing ?)? Just burn that file on a disk or what? I need simple instructions in simple English.

Am I right in understanding that once installed by the gui component, all I need to do is use the regular sheepshaver for them on? And, frankly, then what? Do I load the applications I want to use in the folder, the virtual volume which I assume is created, or what? To then use, do I just go to volume and click on my application or do I need to launch sheepshaver each time?

Some help for this geezer would be appreciated. Answers can also be sent to my email: ripleykv@earthlink.net.

Thanks.

MacBook Pro 2.16/RAM2GB
SheepShaver 2.3-5.14/OS9.04J
Works fine, but problems with the following:
– Adobe Dimensions 3 causes a shutdown (SS sudden disappear) upon launch.
– Any Adobe installer with SVG (scalable vector graphics) causes severe freeze; SVG Viewer, Acrobat Reader 5.05, Acrobat 5.05, Photoshop 6, Illustrator 9.
– Cannot see AppleTalk printers (AppleShare is fine)

how do i get to display my sheep shaver classic window to display at full screen size? can’t change the size at all (neither through grabing and pulling the window nor through resizing it through os9 control panel – monitor)?

Julia,

If you are creating an image in Disk Utility and the Format drop-down says read/write disk image then the image is not sparse. Did you select the image within the SSgui?

For example, my drive path says:

disk /Users/Shared/SheepShaverMac/SS680Boot.dsk
disk /Users/Shared/SheepShaverMac/SS680Xfer.dmg

to my 2 drives

if you have a / at the end it implies a folder, not a file.

You might want to look at (or even edit) your .SheepShaver_prefs file
(in your home folder – normally invisible) with BBEdit or TextWrangler (free). MAKE A COPY FIRST.

I successfully installed 8.5! However, I can’t get Classic versions of Civilization or Colonization to work. I remembered that there was a system extension called “FixCivInit”, which I installed in the extensions folder. But even after rebooting, it says the application needed to open the file can’t be found — even though it *is*, itself, an application.

Anyone else having these troubles, or have suggestions?

Thanks,

Patrick

jroryb, you ROCK, thanks! Yes, I was pointed at the (assumed) mounted volume ssxfer, not to the ssxfer.dmg file itself, that was the problem. At least now I can get things back and forth between the two OS’s, and print by using the PrintToPDF chooser extension. I can successfully mount the ssxfer image in OSX while it is mounted in Mac OS, but live transfer seems a bit iffy – it worked once but the second time the Mac OS file I’d just created wouldn’t show up in OSX, even after an unmount/remount. Mac OS boots so quickly under SS, however, that this is not too big of a deal.

Got it! I read back through the postings. Copying things to a CD-ROM and then bringing them in through SS worked beautifully. My favorite dusty old games, on my sparkling new MacBook Pro!

Thanks, everyone!

Patrick

Julia,
I recommend you don’t have the drive mounted by both OS’s at the same time (ie don’t do what I tried while doing my testing and hose your drive image) It WILL kill the image. IF you have used an image this way I suggest you copy your files off of the image, trash the image, then make a new image with exactly the same name and put it in the same place and copy your files back. This is to avoid loss of data at some future inconvenient time. Also, while you are at it, make a CD or DVD with your boot drive image, SS, SSgui, your ROM image and your prefs file (if you open them with TextWrangler (it is in your home folder and starts with a period and is therefore invisible) you can save them somewhere WITHOUT the period so you can see/backup the file (it currently does have to have the starting period and be in the root of your home folder to work though) Add your ssxfer.dmg if you have space. All backed-up.

Glad you got it working, Patrick. If you follow the last bit of back-and-forth between myself and jroryb you’ll see that it’s not necessary to burn stuff to a CD.

I can get SS to successfully start-up and install OS 9, if I pointed it to a DMG that I created in Disk Utility, BUT I could never get it to boot off that drive.

So, I had the SSgui create the drive, but now the OS 9 crashes SS.

I was never able to get SS to boot off of a .dmg drive created with Disk Utility either.
Did you install the OS onto the drive created by the SSgui? (I am assuming you must have)
… Curious; which ROM are you using?
And you are using an OS 9.0 install disc?
Is the SSgui set to boot from any disk (vs CD)?
How much RAM did you allocate to OS9?
Did you change anything else?
Did you remove the .dmg boot drive from the .sheepshaver_prefs file?

No, I can’t get the OS to install on the drive created by the SSgui. SS crashes shortly after the install begins.

I’m using a ROM that I “tomed” off of a Mac OS 9 PowerBook.

I’m using a copy of a Mac OS 9.0 install disc – retail version.

The SSgui is set to boot from Any disc.

I have 512MB RAM allocated to OS9.

No other changes, other than the volume change.

Yes, I removed the .dmg from … no, wait, I removed it from the gui, but not from the prefs file. I’ll check that now… okay, I checked. It’s not in the prefs file any longer.

I can’t be sure this will work, only that it works for my setup — Try using the ROM from Mac OS ROM update 1.0 . You can download it free from Apple. Then use tomeviewer to extract the ROM . All must be done on an OS9 machine (MAY be able to be done in Classic) . I also never have spaces in ANY of my path names; meaning use underscores or dashes.

Example .sheepshaver_prefs file:

disk /Users/Shared/SheepShaverMac/SS680Boot.dsk
disk /Users/Shared/SheepShaverMac/SS680Xfer.dmg
extfs /Users/Shared/SheepShaverShare
screen win/1024/768
windowmodes 0
screenmodes 0
seriala
serialb /dev/null
rom /Applications/SheepShaver-2.3/Mac-OS-ROM
bootdrive 0
bootdriver 0
ramsize 536870912
frameskip 8
gfxaccel true
nocdrom false
nonet false
nosound false
nogui false
noclipconversion false
ignoresegv true
jit true
jit68k false
keyboardtype 5
ether slirp
keycodes true
keycodefile /Users/Shared/SheepSaverMac/Basilisk_II_keycodes
mousewheelmode 1
mousewheellines 3
dsp /dev/dsp
mixer /dev/mixer
ignoresegv true
idlewait true

Hope this helps.

I got the same problem than Mazz.

When I push start after I have done the settings in GUI, the system (i run 9.0.4) starts up, background with lots of “cd� pictures, and then the system ask me to
“inizilize the disc, because it cant be red by the computer�.
Can i safely push the botton to initalize? If i dont, i cannot install.
I have created with the disk utility of Apple, a disk image in Mac OS Standard and extended format. Both mounted disk are not seen by the computer.

I don’t know what to do.

Jean

I have the same problem reported here.
I created a virtual disk directly from SheepShaver2.3
Starting SheepShaver form a MacOS 9.0 CD I initialize the just created HD (extendend). After this, I start the OS installer but after that the installer start to install the system (after all the OKs and Agree) ShhepShaver simply quits.
This happens on an iMac Intel.
Any hints?

UPDATE:

I deleted the .sheepshaver_nvram and .sheepshaver_prefs files after I restart the installer but, this time, I don’t uncecked “Update the HD dirves”.
The installer has done its works, and now I can boot from the system just installed.

I finally created a virtiual disk from Sheepshaver2.3 and initialized in extended format but when I try to install the system from a MacOS 9.0.4 CD I got the following message: “This program cannot run on your computer” (MacBook Pro 17″).
What can I do now?

Jean

I’ve tried “toming” the ROM from Mac OS ROM update 1.0 (from the Apple site), from and OS 9 machine, making sure there are no spaces anywhere as jroryb suggested. I verified my prefs file looks pretty similar.

SS still crashes when I try to do the install.

I re-created the disk, this time formatting it as extended. Crash upon install.

I deleted the nvram and prefs files. Crash upon install.

Went the DMG route again. Crash upon install.

I used the ROM from Mac OS ROM update 1.0 and a system 8.6 install CD. It installed with no problems. My problem is when I try to boot without the CD, I only get the flashing ? I never saw the initialize disk message.

Anyone have any suggestions?

“however with a little searching I found a ROM available to download, and fully compatible with Sheep Shaver here(link goes here http://rapidshare.de/files/30169965/Mac_OS_ROM.html)” This does not make sense to me as there is no textual language on the rapidshare.de page to indicate the software is Sheep Shaver compatible!

Help

Has anyone successfully use PageMaker 6.5 with SheepShaver? This is important.

Don’t tell me to use InDesign, I have over 100 1meg files with PICT files in them, InDesign does not recognize PICT files. I resue these files every year and do not have time to redo all 100 files.

I am not a programmer, so a lot of this doesn’t make sense to me. It seems as if some steps are skipped in the description of how to make sheepshaver work. I have been able to follow the instructions up to the point where I’m loading the OS9 disk into the Intel Mac. at that point, it tries for a while, then ejects the disk and flashes a question mark. Any thoughts?

I wish it worked. I downloaded the ROM as Helen suggested. I tried OS 8.0, 8.6, 9.04, 9.02 (all German versions). None of them worked. Well, OS 8.6 sort of worked once, but every try after that led to a crash. I wish SheepShaver worked cause I would like to use my Russian programs which never made the transition to OSX. With the current version of SheepShaver, however, I am afraid I won´t be able to.

1) I use the Mac ROM Update 1.0 and SS runs a little more stable than others ROMs but still buggy and unstable.

2) Can’t communicate both worlds (Mac OS X and Classic from SS) and all your tries are very annoying to do and makes SS not a choice to emulate Classic under MacOSx86. AppleShare doesn’t works. Ethernet and Slirp doesn’t connect a folder to sharing and also File Sharing doesn’t works.
This is most great problem… files can’t be transfer in an easy way.

3) Internet WORKS. Can Navigate.

4) But crash, and crash, and crash…. :(

My solution is: PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEEEEE!!!! CHRISTIAN BAUER AND MARC HELLWIG make a SheepShaver that can be use under Mac OSx86!!!! We need it :)))) Thank you :)))))))))

> OS 9 is the past, OS X is the future.

That’s fine from a political standpoint. But the reality is that people have invested thousands of dollars in their OS9 software and don’t want to just throw it away. This is not to mention the time spent learning these programs, workflow, efficiency, etc. Apple’s philosophy is that all of their installed consumer base should buy new hardware and software every couple of years. This just isn’t realistic. Maybe Steve or Woz can do that without hesitation, since they have untold billions of our dollars in their wallets.

Response to question:

If you have issues with apps showing up as documents in OS9 – try rebuilding the desktop. Startup the environment with the option and open-apple (command) keys down. When you get to the desktop, it will ask if you want to rebuild. Just click ok and wait.

I followed the SheepShaver instructions to the letter, except that I used a disk image that I downloaded somewhere, which is definitely a legitimate cd of Mac OS 9.

I used the Basilisk keycodes file and the Mac OS ROM from the link in this article. When I start SheepShaver, I get the floppy disk icon with the blinking question mark. This is on a MacBook. What have I done wrong?

Is it the ROM file?

It would be so much easier if someone sent me a folder containing the completed OS 9.

just to clarify something Richard, I was quoting the original post – not suggesting that people follow what I said. :) I’m just as confused as anyone else!

I have installed SS and have is running OS 8.5 Everything works but I am unable to configure networking.

OS X 10.4.7 2Ghx Intel Core 2 Duo iMac (1GB RAM)
IP 10.1.1.26
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Pouter 10.1.1.1

I need to use ethernet to conect to a appleshare server (Airport would be nice as well) as well as a networked laser printer.

Any help will be very appreciated.

I am trying to download the rom so that I can run OS 9 on my new intel computer. After I have gone through all of the steps and click start on the sheepshaver GUI box, I get an error that says that the ROM size is invalid and blah, blah, blah. How do I fix this? What am I doing wrong? PLease help. I have been working on this a while.

thanks in advance

vickie

I am trying to download the rom so that I can run OS 9 on my new intel computer. After I have gone through all of the steps and click start on the sheepshaver GUI box, I get an error that says that the ROM size is invalid and blah, blah, blah. How do I fix this? What am I doing wrong? PLease help. I have been working on this a while.

thanks in advance

vickie bullins

Downloaded the rom from the link.Installed that and the sheep shaver .got to the screen hit the start button and the error message came up “rom file invalid sheep shaver needs 4MB PCI power Mac Rom. How do I fix?

I just got OS 9.0 up and running, but I don’t seem to have any sound. I checked in the control panels and the sound looks like it should be working. Fix?

On my Intel MacBook Pro, I have gotten as far as installing OS 9.0 from my original CD. The installer launches in the SheepShaver window, but in the ‘select destination’ window the Destination Disk selection is grayed out, and has the following message: “A valid destination volume can’t be found. To continue the installation process, mount a valid volume for software installation.”
Any suggestions?

What do I do when I download that Mac OS?

Easily enough I was able to install os 9 per your instructions. I’ve installed a few of teh applications on the os 9 cd… but when i transfer files over from my main os x partition, they don’t take. i haven’t successfully unpackaged on sit file on this machine. How are you folks getting your programs installed?

I’m trying to install sheep shaver. So far I’ve downloaded sheep shaver 2.3 and selected the rom file but when I try to create a volume by clicking create nothing shows up in the list of volumes then if I click start it boots a 9.0.4 cd but the unix disk appears “broken” with a slash thru it so I can’t do the install. Any suggestions?

@Abby Razer:
you should create a Disk-Image. Use the GUI, set up to 1500MB. You will be promted to initialize if you boot.

Hardest Thing for me to find out: I canot start SS from the GUI “Start”-Button. Once the Settings are done, you have to oben the application direktliy.

@Sean:
When running SS under OS X, you must configure “SLIRP” as Network in the GUI an in OS 9 set in Network Pref: “DHCP” automaticly. Conecting to Server or other Clients in the chooser use “Server-IP-Adresse”

@al:
Hardware: MacBookPro 17″ 2GB RAM
I am running OS 9.0.4 from an G4-Installation CD. When trying to install, I was promted “dosn’t work with your System”. So I copied the Systemfolder to the mounted System Disk. But: NOT THE VISIBLE FOLDER ffrom the CD!!! You can open the “Power Mac.img” in the “Konfiguration”-Folder on the CD and then do the copy…

My Problem:
I can’t configure my AppleTalk-Network. In the Settings there is no Apple Talk Zone available. I need to work with Filemaker 4 and I must print from it very often.

Please Help!

Toni

I have SheepShaver up and running, but the application that I prompted me to go down this emulation road in the first place, doesn’t show up on the ‘Unix’ disk – Corel WordPerfect. I have some important docs that I hadn’t yet converted and it won’t run on my MacBook. And it apparently won’t run under SheepShaver either. Does anyone know what the criteria are for apps that show up/don’t show up or run/don’t run under SheepShaver?
For Susan, I had the same message about no destination volume being found, but it’s a red herring. OS 9 has already been installed (somehow) in the volume you created if you followed the direction above. Eject your OS 9 CD, double click on SheepShaver (not the GUI) and OS 9 ought to start up.

Thank you for the above suggestion. Now when I boot from the cd it asks to initialize….trys and says the disk is locked. Any ideas?

Solid, running a 2ghz MacBook Pro with 2gb of Ram. Made a 750mb disk image using Sheep Shaver. Installed 9.0.4. without much issue, using Disk Utility to make a disk image did not work.

Hi,

Just installed SheepShaver on a Probook w/INtel Chip. I used the ROM extracted from an Apple update, and installed OS 8.5 from a generic CD. Problem was that it would boot from the CD and install fine – but when trying to boot from the disk image(2GB, created with the disk utility that came with the Probook) it would crash instantly.

So I began to suspect that I needed to find a different way to create a disk image. I used a Powerbook G3 to create a 2GB disk image with the old OS9 disk utility, and transferred it to the Probook via a local network. That did the trick.

In theory, I suspect I could have placed the system folder from my old Mac into the disk image but haven’t tried yet. I can report that extracting a ROM file from the old Wallstreet G3 Powerbook did NOT work.

Steve

I’ve installed Sheepshaver according to the instructions above, and everything seems to work well, except for one thing. When I copy the “Monkey Island” folder I used to have on Classic in my G5, clicking on the “Monkey Island” generic icon in the Finder window only produces a popup with this message:

The document “Monkey Island” could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found. Could not find a translation extension with appropriate translators.

My only choice is clicking OK. What can be done to solve this problem?

No need to reply. I’ve found a bad solution and a better one. The bad one is using FileTyper or a similar program on Mac OS 9. That will rebuild the data fork anyway you like. The good solution is stuffing folders on Mac OS X, then copying the stuffed archive on to the Sheepshaver virtual disk, and then having Mac OS 9 unstuff the archive. This way the data fork isn’t damaged. Perhaps an upcoming version of Sheepshaver will automatically solve such things for us, together with less jerky sound.

Great! Someone else who is going through this massively convoluted process – to try and play Monkey Island! Thought I was the only one..

Hi,

I Run 9.0.4 on ProMB. Works great. IP filesharing is stabile and fast.

Anyone got AppleTalk to work?

My problem: Cant find any servers automatically when choosing AppleShare, only via IP.
Same for AppleTalk printers. Cant find any.

Is there a way to make this work?

Thank you very much!

Everything worked great, I used a friend’s Mac OS 9 CD that he was going to throw away… Now I can play my old Classic Games I’m really happy thanks.

Can someone do me a HUGE favour and the link to http://rapidshare.de/files/30169965/Mac_OS_ROM.html won’t work for me as i’m on a Router and does not like it. So could someone upload it to somewhere else or send it to my addy: jh.saunders@btopenworld.com

The program keeps greating Floppy Drives and NOT hard Drives. This means that ever new volume I create is locked. Any ideas?

I managed to load OS 8.6 but haven’t been successful in running any of my Classic applications on it. I drag an application program across from the UNIX disk to my virtual Classic disk and when I click the program it reads “The document “(name of application)” could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found.” Any suggestions on how to open programs dragged and dropped into this environment?

I’ve tried to install Mac OS 9 retail in Sheepshaver, however, when I press start button, the OS 9 disk eject automatically!! and a floppy with question mark flashes.

So what can I do?

Also, I can’t extract the 19 OS 7.5.3 files that I downloaded from Apple site. Can any one teach me how to do it?

Thanks a lot.

I find it very sad, that here are only messages with problems and neraly NONE with solutions!

Are there no other Forums out there, whre someone can get HELP ???

One thing that wasn’t made really clear is that when you are creating the Volume, you have to give it a name. So when you hit the button “Create” you can choose where you want the Volume to be saved, but then after the last forward slash in the field that shows the path you are saving the Volume, simply type in a name (i.e. MacOS9.dmg). And then yes, initialize the disk when is asks after starting up OS 9, 8, or 7. Hope that helps some of you.

Now for a question. OS 8.5 is working great on my Intel MacBook Pro running OS 10.4.8, but the sound is very choppy, especially when running a specific game. I’ve downloaded all that I’m supposed to from the game’s CD, but the game CD must be in the CD tray to actually run. I’ve tried switching the sound preferences from stereo to mono, from 16 bit to 8 bit, from 44 Mhz to 11 Mhz, but all to not avail–in fact, even after I make the preference changes, the sound (when I can hear it) sounds no different than before I made the changes. Is there anyone out there who might know a fix to this problem?

Thanks,

darkbodhi

Hi Everyone.

I’m not having much luck with this. I keep getting the following error:
Sheep Shaver Error:
Cannot map first Kernal Data Area: Permission denied.

I’ve tried moving the Sheep Shaver folder from my Applications folder to my Desktop and back again. I’ve tried MacOS 9.2.1, 9.0 and 9.04 install CDs. I’ve downloaded the pre prepared MacOS ROM. I’ve also tried creating one of my own using a clamshell iBook and Tome Viewer.

I’m running 10.4.7 on a 1.83GHz MacBook with 2GB of RAM.

And I get the above error message every single time. Does anyone have any suggestions on what Im doing wrong?

Andrew

Question for Mr. Darkbodhi above. How did you get your programs to work in OS 8.5? I loaded 8.6 and only the programs that are part of 8.6 work. Nothing I dragged onto it from my UNIX disk boots up. The only thing I get is: “The document “(name of application)â€? could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found.â€? You or anyone else have any suggestions?… I’d like to find out how all you successful installers got this thing to work.

@Tim
you must stuff the programms, copy to the xchange folder and then unstuff them on your new “old” System

Toni

Tim,

At first I had the same problem as you, but I read somewhere (maybe even further up on this list) that if you burn the files (.sit, .sea, etc.) to a disk and then install them from that disk while within the OS 7,8,9 environment, that will do the trick. So far, it has worked perfectly for me.

darkbodhi

I still get “This program will not run on your computer” when I use SheepShaver for the first time.

Hi Everyone!
I need to buy a Mac laptop that is able to run Mac OS 9 as the programs I use for college only run on this. I tried to buy one of the old G4 iBooks but they’re now gone : ( and from what I am reading here none of the new laptops will be able to run this!! Are many of ye having luck with Sheep Shearer? I have been looking at the MacBook 2 GHz model with 1GB RAM. Anyone had luck with this model??
Thanks!

Golly gee willickers – I hate to ask this, but…

I need to migrate my Atari ST files. Is there a good Atari ST emulator for the Mac?

This is what happend to me: http://lam.hcchosting.us/sheepshaver.png

Some guy
2 months, 2 weeks ago

“Seriously guys, get with the times. OS 9 is old, worthless and outdated. OSX has been out over half a DECADE. If you are still using applications that run in OS 9 you have serious attachment issues. If you find one thing you like and expect to never move from it you should just stop using computers now.”

—Yeah….and the only problem with that way of thinking is that lotsa clients don’t use OSX yet. They hand you a file done in QuarkXPress 4 and something in FreeHand 7 or something even older. What Apple doesn’t seem to realize is that over half of its paying customers probably still use Classic. EVEN the service bureaus. That’s been my experience. They paid a lotta money for their apps and they don’t wanna throw ‘em away yet. So even if ya got they latest and greatest, quite often, yer clients don’t, dude. Yew gotta give whatever the customers want. And often times, they aint uptadate. So ya need that Classic environment. I still have a G5. In fact, I haven’t bought into the Intel environment yet, because it isn’t mainstream yet. It’s really still the fringe, and ya have to wait till the 90% catches up ta the ‘In’ Crowd (the 1-2%of MacUsers out there with Intel machines).

STFU troll. I maintain applicatons that still have megabytes of resources in ResEdit-based resource files. Right now, I have absolutely no way to edit these files on an Intel based Mac. ResEdit is a Classic app and it won’t run.

I can’t get Sheepsaver to run properly. It crashes too much. But if it did work this would save me hundreds of hours of work porting these files to interface builder and changing all my code to access them from nibs.

I hate sanctimonious p****s like you who have nothing better to do than pollute forums and trash products that other people have a desperate need for.

I agree with Troll Slayer.
For example, if you buy some 3D models, some of them are embbed in Mac OS 9 installers and can get it if you have only a Mac INTEL Based.
I stop buying Macs UNTIL find a way to run properly SheepShaver. Still using PowerMac… AND I NEVER LEAVE A POWERMAC IN MY DESKTOP FOR ONLY USING Mac OS 9. SheepShaver working properly OR DON’T upgrade to new models. Need classic!!!!!!!

still don’t know what to do with the mounted 7.0.1 image… any suggestions?

Nevermind- I just installed from an OS 9 cd, however, it won’t boot up without having the CD in the drive. Is this supposed to happen? I tried disabling booting from CD, but it just gives a floppy with a flashing question mark.

Hmm…what I’ve found when the installers refuse you, is if you have one of the ‘Software Restore’ CDs for an iMac or iBook or whatever that came with Mac OS 9.0.4, (Eg, the iMac DV), there’s a mountable disk image file hidden away on that CD. Mount it while booted from the restore CD, and copy the contents of the .img to the new mac OS partition. It’s how I got around installers abusing me.

I successfully installed OS 9 from CD on a MB Pro C2D, but SheepShaver won’t boot from the installed disk image (I get the dreaded blinking question mark). I can’t change the startup disk because it crashes systematically when opening the control panel. So I tried installing 8.5 instead, and this boots. It still crashes when setting the startup disk, but luckily it’s not necessary.
It seems to run pretty stable as long as I don’t try to do anything fancy like starting QuickTime. According to a benchmark in HyperCard, the speed is comparable to my old 800MHz G3 iBook, not bad.

For some reason a command-click has no effect unless I use the middle mouse button, which is annoying (especially in the absence of a mouse with middle button). I would also appreciate some menu commands to emulate the ‘option-cmd-esc’ and ‘ctrl-cmd-power’ keystrokes so I don’t need to restart SheepShaver every time something goes wrong.

SheepShaver startup with a paid OS9CD but I cannot proceed with the OS9 installation. It asked me to initial my HD?!
If I refuse to initial my HD, the destination popup manual shows nothing so I proceed no more the installation.
Yet if I allow, it claim that my HD is locked & it goes on & a unix HD is displaced. It shows all the content of my HD but only a few folder inside is accessable. A same name folder of the Hard disk I previously created in the GUI setup is listed in the root level & also another same name folder is listed inside the SheepShaver folder the location I chose during the GUI setup. Both the folder is accessable. But still no more installation I can do with my OS9CD.
What should I do next?
Any suggestion that where I may go wrong.
I am having a MacBook, osX 10.4.8, Intel Core Duo 2GHz, 1G Ram.

To those that poo-poo we who need to use OS 9, save it.

I for one need OS 9 to access RECORDINGS that can only be accessed in cubase VST:32, an OS 9 only program which can’t have its files imported into something like Cubase 4.

So for some of us it’s like finding an old tape machine to access old art we’ve created.

So give us a break from the “get with it” bullcrap. THAT is old more than anything.

I have an install disc for OS 9.2 so obviously, that’s not working. I can’t find a full version of 9.04 to download (I checked the links) and the computer spits out whatever CD I make with updates on it, whether I hold down C or not.

Help.

I have an Intel Macbook pro 2.33Ghz 2g RAM.

I finally went from the theoretical to the practical when I got my new 24″ Core 2 Duo iMac. I’ve installed Sheepshaver – not easy as I have not found a complete, exhaustive set of instructions to cover every eventuality.

I need to know how to mount a CD or USB drive in Sheepshaver as these don’t automatically appear on the desktop. In the case of the USB drive, I am worried that mounting it via the Sheepshaver GUI will corrupt it as it appears to do with a disk image mounted in Mac OS X at the same time as in Sheepshaver.

Can anyone who has done this give me some instructions?

Also, has anyone figured out why only some of the files on the mounted Unix drive are visible from Sheepshaver?

Ian

Ian Downie, to mount a USB device, go under the “Volumes” tab in Sheep Shaver GUI, click “Add New” & then in the menu, navigate to your USB device & select it. Do the same thing to mount a CD. If you want to boot Sheep Shaver from a CD, under the volumes tab, change boot from Disk Image to CD Drive (I think)

Crashing on OS 9 install? I found out that creating a .dmg with spaces in it doesn’t agree with SheepShaver. And then when I made a new 400 MB image, Shaver would close shortly into the install! I was frustrated until I got Disk Utility to make me a CD-R image; for some reason, it didn’t crash. So give that a shot, maybe it’ll work for you.

20″ iMac Core 2 Duo

I had trouble with the ROM mentioned in this article; whenever I tried to install OS 9 it would crash. For this reason I jumped on m old PPC Mac and extracted my own ROM from the most current Apple package. For those of you who don’t have access to a PPC Mac or don’t want to extract their own ROM, I have hosted a ZIP file containing mine at http://www.mrmacgeek.com/macosrom.zip. Enjoy!

Hi there,
I’ve tried the mas os rom on sheepshaver as posted on uneasysilence but it doesn’t work sheepshaver says that it needs a bigger mac os rom??? can you help? thank you in advance
Maryse

I see that many people have had the same problem I am having… but don’t know if there is a solution. When I push start, the question mark appears and then a error message saying: “this startup disk will not work on this Machintosh model. Use the latest istaller to update this dist for this model”
I have no idea what to do; same thing happens when I use a OS9.2 or a OS8.0 installer cd. Anyone out there has figured this out?

Sebastian

I managed to load OS 8.6 but haven’t been successful in running any of my Classic applications on it. Any suggestions on how to open programs dragged and dropped into this environment? I drag an application program across from the UNIX disk to my virtual Classic disk and when I click the program it reads “The document “(name of application)” could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found.”

Okay, so I am really confused on one of the steps. I downloaded system 7, (can’t find 9 anywhere, anyone know where it is?) and when i launch sheepshaver, i get the floppy disk with a flashing ? sign. Here is my question: how do I need to mount the disk image so that Sheepshaver will recognize it?
Many thanks,
Konstantin

A few things.

First of all, I got SheepShaver running OS 8.5 (via ROM Update 1.0) on my 24-inch iMac — (oh, yes, it’s uh… very nice…) :-D — thanks in large part to the help on this page. Thanks, Dan and company!

For some reason I don’t get the Unix volume showing up in the Finder or Standard File, but my own software can see it, so I transfer files that way. There are byte-swapping issues in the extfs layer with the effect that types and creators get reversed — so a TEXT file becomes TXET, and APPLications become LPPA, so the system doesn’t know what to do with them. I mentioned this on the developer mailing list a few days ago but haven’t gotten a response. I’ll try to fix the bug myself if I get SheepShaver to build.

In the meantime you need some kind of archiving wrapper to get files across. The problem is finding something that’s Mac-savvy and runs on both OS 9 and OS X. Currently I have a command-line MacBinary tool that encodes folder hierarchies in the same format as Peter N. Lewis’ MacBinary II+ application.

If the Unix volume isn’t accessible, another approach is to host a file archive on a Web server and download it from within SheepShaver. Or use FTP, etc.

SheepShaver seems to be pretty stable once it’s configured, but not very robust. If you have a business need to run Mac OS 9, I strongly urge you to consider using a PowerPC-based system. And if you boot OS 9 natively, you’ll get much better performance than under Classic. For what it’s worth, my 466MHz G3 iBook running 9.1 is faster than SheepShaver on the new iMac.

Good luck!

Josh

Konstantin, you need to burn the CD Image, otherwise it will have th flashing Disk of Doom

Aaron, will it work if I burn it onto a DVD?

When I put my OS 9 CD in the drive and hit “Start” in SheepSaver GUI, I get the Happy Mac startup screen and then:

“This startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model.”

And a (Restart) button.

So now what?

Ah, I see. My CD is for OS 9.1. Damn!

@ Maya: ““This startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model.’”

I also get the same thing, and I have a retail version of OS 9. I tried the CD and tried making the CD into an .iso but still get the errors.

Hey, I see a hundred people having the “use the latest installer” problem like me, and not a single response! What gives? How about a response?

Am on an Intel MacBook Pro (OS X 10.4.8) and am trying to use sheepshaver to run Newton Connection Utilities 2000 on Mac OS 9.0.4. Am trying to connect via Newton serial port and keyspan usb-serial adapter. But no success so far. All I get is that “printer port is in use” as NCU starts up. Do I have to write anything specific in the Seria/Network Tab on the SheepShaver GUI? Everything else is working well but can’t get this final serial port step to work! Can anyone help?

THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE. you may have saved my life-savings, not having to buy all new software when i buy a new mac, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!

Have now succeeded in getting Newton Connection Utilities running on Sheepshaver under Mac OS 9.0.4 to backup the Newton to my Intel MacBook Pro running OS X 10.4.8 via the Keyspan usb-serial adapter. You need to have
/dev/cu.KeySerial1 in the Serial tab of sheepshaver GUI. I found this using the Keyspan Serial Assistant so try this if the above doesnt work on your machine.
I also have Appletalk Inactive in the Chooser and also have Remote Only tabbed in the Appletalk control panel on the Mac OS 9.0.4 end of things. This gets rid of the “printer port is in use” error. In NCU preferences I have appletalk unticked and only printer port ticked. Connection is still intermittent – seems to work most when the Newton is connected via keyspan and usb at Mac OS 9.0.4 startup. On the Newton 2000 I have Connect via Serial in Dock. Anyway this means I can now get rid of my old G3 Imac and rely on Sheepshaver plus NCU (plus also NewtSync which runs under OS X plus Keyspan usb-serial) to keep my Newton backed up. NewtSync does a good job on Dates and Addresses but the Notes and other backup is better from NCU.

I downloaded the SS and the ROM on this site, but while in SSgui, I could not figure out how to have the Browse button locate the ROM in the SS folder. It didn’t give me the name that was shown in your example – didn’t see the Mac Rom Image at all.

I use a new Intel iMac 20.”

Probably the best thing is to trash Sheepshaver because it will never get support to upgrade. The best choice could be to run Mac OS 9 under Windows (using an emulator) and with virtualization software like Parallel or VMware.
Sheepshaver for Mac OS X intel based IS DEAD.

Ok, I just got OS9 booting on SheepShaver. I can understand why some people have troubles. I had most of the issues people had over here.

I don’t have the retail OS9 CD, only the restauration ones.
I don’t have access to physical OS9 hardware.

Here is what I did (roughly, from memory, but each step is quite logical, at the end):

1) Getting the ROM, legally (I think)

* I installed Basilik II, with the 7.5.5 Starterdisk that floats around internet.
* I created a disk image, and installed stuffit on it
* Shut down and mounted that image in OS X
* I downloaded that apple update that contains the New World ROM + the .hqx for the Tome extracter
* I copied them in the disk image
* I umounted the disk image
* I rebooted basilik and extracted the ROM file, copied back into the disk image
* I shutted down basic, mounted the disk image, and got the ROM back
* POinted sheepshaver to that ROM

2) Getting a Mac OS 9 install

* I created a bigger disk image for OS9 (could probably have used the same one as before). I think I used SheepShaver, but I am not sure.
* I mounted that image (Name: TargetOS9.img)
* Inserted the OS9 *RESTORE* CD. In it, there is a folder with a disk image of the installed partition. I mounted this partition in OSX, and copied the “System Folder” into the OS9 image (This image cannot be booted by SheepShaver directly, I think it is because it is a HFS+).

3) Blessing the System Folder:

* Umounted the TargetOS9.img, the “restore” image, and umounted the CD
* Inserted the OS9 installation CD
* Booted SheepShaver (it booted on the CD., and mounted the TargetOS9 disk)
* Cliked my way to the unblessed system folder and Command double-clicked on it.
* Going back to the root of the disk, the System Folder was not blessed
* Shutted down sheep shaver, and eject the CD

Relauch. Enjoy.

Now, MAYBE, I could have avoided that step 1 by taking the ROM that is inside the System folder of the Mac OS 9 disk, butI am too tired to try this now.

Ooops. Sentence:

“Going back to the root of the disk, the System Folder was not blessed”

should read:

“Going back to the root of the disk, the System Folder was now blessed”

I figured out how to get the SheepShaver GUI to recognize the ROM image – do the procedure on the old Mac! Now I have to locate an OS 9.0.4 or 9.1—I guess I threw away the former versions, not anticipating that I would have to go back to them! After I load in the OS, I will put the SS folder with all the goodies – the ROM image, the OS, my Classic software, and probably the printer software either on my iDisk or burn a CD to move over to the Intel Mac……

Haven´t read the whole story, but can anybody tell me how I get my usb printer to work with OS 9.0.4 on sheepshaver? I have installed the driver and it is showing up in chooser but there is no usb support, just modem or printer port available. Any help?
thanks

Thank you Brandon Ferioli. Your ROM is wrking great. I couldn’t have done it without you!

is there anyway that some one could re-up that rom? it seems that the file has gone offline from rapidshare

I just dragged the Mac OS ROM file from my iMac DV to the Sheep Shaver folder on my MacBook, but it says invalid ROM file, what’s wrong?

I figured out whats wrong, it’s that I need the version from rapidshare, but it is offline so i’ll figure out how to extract the Apple server one on my iMac DV.

I figured out whats wrong, it’s that I need the version from rapidshare, but it is offline so i’ll figure out how to extract the Apple server one on my iMac DV. Because now it says invalid ROM file.

I tried getting the rom from the link, but rapidshare took it down apparently. I tried getting a rom from the mac website using timewiewer, but it turns out i need OS9 to use tomeviewer, which completetly defeats the purpose of me doing this to begin with. Are there any other roms available?

Ok, I’m getting a bit confused… I have Sheepshaver running OS 9, and I’m getting that “application which created it could not be found” message everytime I try to open a classic application. I’ve read the instructions for that here but I can’t figure out how to do it:
I don’t have an “Xchange” folder and I don’t know how to get one
I don’t have a “virtual classic” disk either, all I have is my OS 9 CD (which is read only) and my UNIX disk.
And finally, I tried styuffing the archive, but my OS 9 disk doesn’t have stuffit on it, and the stuffit I have on my Unix disk gives me the same damn error if I try to open it. I’d attempt to download the old one from the internet, but My OS 9 CD only has an internet installer, not an actual program, and since I have no virtual classic disk or Exchange folder, I can’t install anything…

Can anyone help me out?

Hi everyone,
i’m glad to know that can run OS 9 in Mac intel, because i kinda newbie in Mac intel,
i’m using Mac Pro run OSX 10.4.8 with memory 4GB 667 Mhz
i try to follow tutorial above and download all the file required to run mac OS 9 in Mac Intel. I got Mac OS ROM update 1.0.smi from the link that given in tutorial. i follow every step of it.
but the problem after all is when i click on start button from SS 2.3
there is message coming out like
“SheepShaver error: Unsupported ROM type.”
Did anyone can give me suggestion, because i need this Os 9 run ASAP for my study..
please anyone help me…specially “Dan” the one who create this tutorial..
i really thanks for your help guys..

I also need the rom..

> I have SheepShaver up and running, but the application that
> prompted me to go down this emulation road in the first place,
> doesn’t show up on the ‘Unix’ disk – Corel WordPerfect. I have
> some important docs that I hadn’t yet converted and it won’t run
> on my MacBook. And it apparently won’t run under
> SheepShaver either. Does anyone know what the criteria are
> for apps that show up/don’t show up or run/don’t run under
> SheepShaver?

WordPerfect runs fine on Intel Macs using SheepShaver, and
I’ve built a disk image with OS, WordPerfect and everything else.
Download, set SheepShaver prefs (a 5-minute task) and run.
Link and support are at the WordPerfect Mac Yahoo group.

i know this question has been asked before, but I never saw an answer posted:

We just got a new Intel iMac this weekend, and I downloaded SheepShaver in the hope that I could be able to play some old Classic games I used to play on my old computer. I took the Mac OS ROM file from the iMac Software Restore CD from my old iMac (G3 333mhz) and restored all the software onto the new volume I created (so I’m running Mac OS 8.6 through SheepShaver).

However, for a some of the games I want to be able to play again, I get the error message “The document “xxx” could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found.” I was wondering why this is happening, and what I can do to fix this? The applications that came with the old iMac Software Restore disk will run like normal. Actually the games I mainly wanted are some old games from Ambrosia software (at ambrosiasw.com). So I tried downloading the installer for the games, and launching the installer would that give the meantioned error, and then I tried transferring the game folder from my old iMac to my new one, and launching the game file gives still me the same error. This is really annoying me, because I thought I’d be able to run any classic programs after I thought I had SheepShaver set up.

If anyone can help me out, I’d be extremely grateful.

Thanks,
Corey

After much head scratching and reading of internet posts (esp. this one!) I’ve got SheepShaver up and running with OS 9 on my MacBook Pro C2D 2.33 GHz.

Now I’d like to play a couple of pre OS X games (namely, Combat Mission Beyond Overlord, the Myth series and Starship Titanic). They are all on original CDs, and they all appear to go through the installation process properly. However, when I try to run the game by double clicking its icon, it won’t run. The computer just hangs or the screen goes black as if the game’s about to launch, but that’s it. The CD spins for a while and then stops. I then have to force quit or hold the power button down to turn off the MBP.

Is SheepShaver emulating a machine powerful enough to run these games? The disc image I created is 1GB and I gave it 512MB RAM, which I thought would be penty.

Any help would be gratefully received.

Many Thanks

Moriarty

Moriarty,

Same problem here….some games work, some don’t.

You don’t know Jack fails repeatedly with a 1GB image and 512 RAM; tried changing screen resolution/num of colors and manually assigned additional RAM to the application. Still nothing…

Bummer…

Moriarty,

I’d love to get my hands on a copy of Titanic (or a copy of a copy!
Perhaps we could make an arrangement???

jeremy
achds@mac.com

Ok here’s my problem
I’m using OS 9, with an OS 9.0.4, G4. The weird thing is, it loads fine from the CD (the software install CD) and absolutely no problems (except that I don’t have any extensions installed or anything. Problem is, when I try to actually install the OS, the logo comes up for a few seconds, then I get the following message:
“This program cannot run on your computer. See the documentation for more information.”
Has anyone any idea how to get around this? I tried just copying the System folders to my virtual classic disk, but when I restarted, I got “This system software was only designed to run on the original media” and it won’t start…

Anyone know a workaround?

Ok never mind, I fixed that.
I have one final problem though:
I have no sound. When I try to open the “sound” control panel, I get
The application “Sound” could not be opened because “SndHWUtilitiesLie–AudioNotify” could not be found.

I’ve looked on both install and restore CDs and I can’t find the damn file anywhere… Anyone know how I can correct this?

Sorry, that should have been “Lib”

Darn the Luck ! ! !
I got it working pretty easily, but alas it won’t run the item I was interested in. Rosetta Power Pac language CD ROM. Keeps coming up with script errors.

Nice find! Hope this can launch the venerable PageMaker 7. InDesign CS (out of the box) can’t open PM6 or older version files. One has to first open and save the PM file to v.7, then open the PM7 in InDesign.

There must be an easier way.

Has anyone noticed the download link for the OS 9 rom is not working? Where can we find this now?

Thanks!

I have got an iBook Software Installation CD and this one doesn’t work with the emulator. I can start it via CD but when I click Install Software there’s just an error message that this Installation isn’t supported on my Computer. I suggest that the emulator / the installation program recognizes that it isn’t an iBook that I’m runnig the CD on. :-( Damn, I want to play Nanosaur 1!

I really need some help! The more I read, the more confused I become!. I need to be able to run Colorize 3.0 on my IntelMac for my freelance job. Can someone please walk me through? I am definitely not a programmer and I am certain I am older than most of you. I just want to keep doing my job. Can someone help?

Solution to loosing file attributes:
(Somewhat hacked up and lame, but whatever.)

In OSx, using Disk Utility, create a read/write sparseimage.
Copy whatever files you are trying to copy to MacOS9 onto the sparseimage
Select the Sparseimage as an extra harddrive in the SheepShaver preferences.

Works fine for me, I’ve got tons of great classic games running now. (Escape Velocity, Pathways into Darkness, Spaceward Ho!, and all the old Infocom games.)

Could someone please send me a copy of their working ROM if they still have it, because I’m out of any other options.

fryrules101@aol.com

I am having the same initial problem HatrickPatrick had. I am trying to install 8.5 from a disk. SS will boot from the disk, but when I try to run install, it says “This program cannot run on your computer. See the documentation for more information.” Hatrick says he has a fix, but didn’t take time to post it. Can anyone help me with this?

I am having a problem, I installed the original OS 9 from the retail CD and and I used the ROM that was linked at the page, but for some strange reason, Mac OS 9.0 keeps crashing every few minutes when it is in full screen mode. Any ideas?

I have Mac 9.2.2. Is there any other software that would emulate it because Sheep Shaver only supports till 9.0.4.. Any suggestions on how to get it running?

I have delivered a new iMac G5 to a teacher who is still using a few os 9 applications that go with his textbooks. I called Apple today to inquire about running older os 9 applications on the new intel iMac and they directed me to your site so I could download sheepshaver. Success with download but have trouble with the ROM file.

Will you please help me? I have read your info on the website but evidently I am missing
something and will appreciate your help!

Deb

I finally got it to boot! These directions should address both the “This program cannot run on your computer. See the documentation for more information” and “The startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model” errors.

I found that the installer error was likely due to the fact that I was using an install disk that was either 9.1, or was bundled with another laptop. I tried transfering the data straight from the system restore image in the configuration file, but the OS would crash 1/4 into every boot. So here are the steps I took:

1. Make a .dmg image with Disk Utility and save it to your root dir. This is for file transfer. I named mine SSXfer.

2. Follow the directions posted at the top of the page. I copied my Mac OS ROM from the System folder of a laptop running 9.0.

3. I had to increase my Mac OS RAM size to 512MB in the Memory/Misc tab of SheepShaver GUI.

4. Under the Serial/Network tab, change Ethernet interface to “slirp” if you want to network.

5. When “creating a new volume, do not navigate to another dir. It must be saved to the root dir. Under the Volumes tab, after “creating” a new volume for SS install as outlined above, also “add” the disk image created in step 1.

6. If you don’t have a generic install CD, and you are getting refused, try inserting the software restore disk. Restore the software to the volume you “created” from the GUI (not the Xfer image). This is how I got it to install from bundled software.

7. Once restore has finished, click into the classic control panel and change the startup disk to the volume created from the GUI. This should make it look like the system crashes. Well, it shouldn’t make that happen, but it does.

8. You should now be able to open the GUI, change the “Boot From” option to “any,” remove the Software Restore CD, and click start. If it fails during initial boot, restart your entire machine and repeat this step.

9. If it boots from the new volume, you should now be able to launch classic simply by launching SheepShaver (not GUI).

10. Yo can now transfer files to SS by opening the Xfer image we made in step 1. and saving programs to that disk. Just transfer the files, unmount the disk, and relaunch SS.

Notes: I could never get it to boot from any image I made with any thing else (including an .img made with disk copy in classic). I was also never able to boot from a system folder transfered from another machine into any volume of SheepShaver, regardless of how the volume was created. This is true even if the files transfered into SS with their forks intact. I couldn’t get it to work until an install (or restore, in my case) had been run from a CD.

It worked like twice, now it keeps craching about a quarter of the way throguh startup. WTF? This is the most frustrating software I have ever tried to use!

Boot…crash
Boot…crash
Boot…crash

Is anyone else experiencing this? It happens no matter what volume I install OS to, or how the volume was created. SS finds the disk, begins startup, then craps out. If I turn on “Ignore Illeagle Memory Accesses” in the memory tab, Then instead of crashing, it freezes. Same place every time. Why is this happening? I have 512 MB OS RAM allocated (1012 caused an error). I have tried all settings down to 64 MB. What gives?

I’m trying to install SheepShaver 2.3. I have a 24-inch iMac and a Mac OS 9.0 CD as well as the Mac OS 9 ROM. I define the memory as 256 MB and create the OS9-Volume as 512 MB. When I then click the Start button to install OS9, it tries to initalize the OS9-Volume but then fails with the error:

Disk intialization failed because the disk is locked!

I went to Terminal and did a chmod of the OS9-Volume directory and still got the same error. Is there any way that I can get around this problem.

Also, has anyone got SheepShaver to work on a Mac Pro (Intel Xeon)? I tried that first and couldn’t get it to work there either. SheepShaver would just crash within seconds after clicking the Start button.

Thanks for any help.

I must be a total idiot…but can someone help me with the following?
- I’ve downloaded the Sheep thing
- Downloaded the Apple ROM as indicated above – the rapidshare link does not work anymore.
- CANNOT run tomeviewer so I guess the ROM I downloaded is totally useless
- I have an original copy of OS 9 and I REALLY need to make it run on my MBP.
So:
Can someone help me here…please!

Dan:
I have downloaded the SS, and Mac OS ROM from the updater 1.0 (in a G5 powerPC running mac classic) since the link you provided did not work (took me to some photo website) and downloaded a Mac 9.0.4 from the apple site you indicated. Thereafter, I followed your tutorial exactly, but I always got the following SS error message, “SheepShaver Error: Cannot map first kernel data area: Permission denied.” I really do not know what I am doing wrong. I desperately need to run some classic applications for my research work.

Please help. Somebody…..!

Just download the image I’ve pre-built. It has OS, ROM, and everything else you need. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac, to the Links section, to the SheepShaver and Basilisk folder, and click “SheepShaver-WordPerfect Install (2)”. It’s 243 mb, about a 20 minute download with a fast connection.

Enjoy,
John

The link I just posted doesn’t work since it’s followed by a comma. Try this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac

John

I have an Intel MacBook Pro…I’ve downloaded SheepShaver-2.3, I have a valid ROM…I have a retail copy of OS 9. SheepShaver will not launch the OS however. It gives me a disk with a flashing ?, and ejects the CD in the drive. I have a mounted disc image with all OS 9 info, but I don’t know how to get it to load from there. I know nothing about programing so any help would be appreciated! What do I do?

Brooke

John – I’ve installed SheepShaver with the package that you put together and it works great. Thanks for that.

The problem I’m having is installing other os9 software into it. I can’t seem to access the utilities folder from outside sheepshaver and i can’t seem to navigate to my software from within it. Do i need to be running off original installer disks?

Thank-you,
Bernie

I have an intel MacBook Pro running latest operating system. Did everything the instructions said, but cannot load any OS 9 or OS 8 disks from original CD. Keep getting flashing floppy and then that “this startup disk will not work on the Macintosh model. Use the latest instaler to update this disk for this model.

Any suggestions?

after reading all the problems, this whole Sheep Shaver idea to run OS 9 on an intel mac is a joke. It looks like all I will do is screw up my computer. The directions are obviously inadequate, and after reading everyone’s posts it looks like this whole thing is a real Cluster Flub.
You hackers don’t seem to know what you are doing half the time. If you can’t get it right, then quit playing around.

One of the links dont work

R K Smith –

Works fine for me!

Like SK ROY, I am getting the “Cannot map first Kernel Data area: Permission denied”. I followed the install and settings instructions.

Any suggestions?

-Weller

Hey, just askin’ can i make all this stuff on an external hard drive? i already have windows on my Mac. If someone asked this before, sorry, acn you tell me again? i haven’t read it entirely.

Hi to all!

Does anyone get a second monitor to work under SheepShaver?
I can’t find a solution…
Is there any?

Thanks.

Greetings
Dink

Sheep Shaver can not detect the USB device (dongle) when I have installed the Quarkxpress 4.1 in my Intel-based iMac

hi, does it’s works on windows?

I can’t install programs from diskettes volume images from a CD under 8.6. Also, I tried to install 9.2 and as expected it’s not working either. My objective is to have ClarisWorks running in order to retrieve content from files.

Regards and thanks,

Marco

If you don’t have an OS 9 or OS 8 or OS 7 CD-ROM for SheepShaver, you go onto the Apple Vintage Operating System site and download, say 7.6 or 8.0 or 9.1 and how do you get SS to read it as a bootable CD. Also can you boot from just the files in a folder like Installer Tomes 1, 2, 3????????

Help would be fantastic as I am trying to play all my OS 9 games without buying an old G3 Mac.

Thanks,

B

B, use Toast to create a disc image. You can also download Mac OS 9 on some torrent sites, I found one on Demonoid.com that was made for this exact purpose.

NOW FOR MY QUESTION.

Had no problem installing everything, Mac OS 9 is running smoothly.. HOWEVER, when I go to open my game, I was asked to switch to 256 colours, so I did.

BUT now everytime I go to open it I get ” FATAL ERROR! ID = 2718 Sorry, Returning to Finder.”

What on earth does that mean!!?!?

Ok, i have created my disk image with toast containing System Folder (9.0).

I load the .toast image file into the preferences and it still comes up with the Disk Icon and flashing ?.

Am i doing something wrong or could someone post the Disk Tools for Mac OS 9.0.4?

Thankyou

B

it says i need a rom with atleast 4 mb.
where can i get one?

I struggled, with no success, to get Sheepshaver to enable an Intel iMac to communicate with an OS 9-based server program. The TCP/IP function utilizes the SLIRP emulator (an emulator within an emulator–joy!) and Apple Talk does NOT work under Sheepshaver. This was the sole reason for my seeking out Sheepshaver and I was surprised because it isn’t really mentioned unless you dig for it.

Otherwise, a fast and pretty trouble-free emulator for those ancient apps that you just HAVE to use.
Peace,
Jeff

The extracted Mac OS ROM can be found here, under section 2.1:
http://www.alkemic.com/music/travis/Mac Emulator Tutorial/MacEmulator.html

I have a New World 86 ROM which is perfect for SheepShaver.

The adress for the site is below.

http://www.alkemic.com/music/travis/Mac%20Emulator%20Tutorial/MacEmulator.html

It can be found under section 2.1

Very frustrating. I have the ROM sorted and everything is ready to go except that I CANNOT find a general release edition of Mac OS 9.0.4. I can only find editions that were bundled with Powerbooks or early iMacs and they are all machine specific. Which means that SheepSaver starts doing its stuff and then gets halted by a message saying the OS cannot be installed on this computer.

Does anyone have any idea where to obtain a normal dealer edition that is NOT tied to a specific machine? If anyone does please email me at: grazer@free.fr.

Many thanks, Graham Hay

Although today is the first time I have posted here I have been trying on and off for weeks to get this SheepSaver to work.

The best I have been able to achieve is firing it up off a CD backup copy of a Pismo Powerbook’s main volume, but of course I cannot install an OS with that and it is no good for running applications. I have found a general release Mac OS 9.0 install CD but have yet to successfully install it on SheepSaver.

Among all the cries for help in this forum there are one or two efforts at describing EXACTLY what you have to do to install SheepSaver with a native OS etc. but these ‘helpful’ posts all say something slightly different – and even then you have to decode what is written because not all of it is very clear. It may look like sense once you have installed everything but until then there is much that is very unclear.

I have tried every OS9 trick that I can remember to fool it into working but to no avail.

Even simple things like creating the volume that SheepSaver will install the OS onto does not work. All it produces is a 4Kb folder with the specified name. Whether that folder is installed at root level or in the SheepSaver folder makes no difference – it doesn’t show up as an option to install to.

Only once did I end up with a strange looking file that ‘weighed’ the 1Gb that I had specified. Unfortunately it got chucked away during one of the many ‘… okay, let’s chuck everything out and start again …’ sessions.

Creating an OSX .dmg file will at least show up on the OS9 install CD’s desktop but any attempt to install the OS onto that volume ends up with SheepSaver quitting before the job is done.

Apparently many folks here have it all up and running but there is no way to contact any of them to ask how they did it and once they have sussed it there is not much reason for them to return.

However, on the offchance that some does DOES pass by again having successfully sorted it all out, can you please, please share your valuable knowledge.

Regards, Graham Hay (grazer@free.fr)

When I click on the like to the “Fully compatible ROM” (on RapidShare) I get file not found. This file must be someplace.

I have usb dongle for freehand 10 (arabic/hebrew) the sheepshaver can’t see it
avybody can help me

VERY IMPORTANT

thanksssss

I have the same problem with Quarkxpress. We can only wait the new version of SS.

Anyone figure out what fixes this error?
“ERROR: Cannot map first Kernel Data area: Permission denied.”

Hello, I have just been able to install Sheep Shaver on my new MackBook Pro 17” model. I used the New World ROM. However, when I am able to get the drive to boot. I have a difficult time getting an operating system install on the computer. Everytime I put in an OS 9.0.4 for iMac or iBook and click on install os a message always comes up saying that the installation cannot be completed. I have to quit and then close down the boot from cd window. I am no father in installing the OS. I am wondering with the new world rom do you need a special kind of disc or should I be looking for something like the Powerbook which was the older model of this with its PPC. If anybody could help that would be great. Thank you very much.

Hi people,

I’m David (15) from Holland, and I’m running SS without problems now.
Except for one small thing : Does anyone know how I can mount my OS 9 disc ?
I have to put the install CD of Mac OS 9 in my eMac before SS will operate (or how do you call that in English ?)
And is there anyone familiair with the programm MediWorks ?

Thanks,

David

anyone who dosent have a mac os9 cd,
I used this torrent
http://www.mininova.org/tor/350344
Just burn the image to a cd
:)

SheepDroppings is more appropriate.

What a complete and total utter waste of time.

I have just bought yet ANOTHER OS9 install disc. This one is definitely a full retail version without ANY machine specific restrictions and this SS still doesn’t do anything like it is claimed to do.

It will not create a volume, it simply creates an empty folder which is not recognised when it comes to installing the OS. A dmg disc image file is recognised but the installer always quits after about twenty seconds.

Why does this forum even exist if there is no help to be found?

A few here say they have installed SS and are happily using it.

Great ! Bully for you ! How wonderful for you !

If you can spare the time to post here and crow about it why not take a look at all the messages of despair and offer some constructive advice if you have any.

There are thousands of Mac users who have or ultimately will have no option but to adopt OSX however, great though it is, there are old OS9 files that need to be accessed and essential OS9 applications that have not made the transition that we all need to have the use of for a while longer.

An emulator is the perfect answer but how ironic that PC users can apparently access OS9 with SS and Mac users cannot because the poxy stupid thing doesn’t work !!

My email address is grazer@free.fr.

If anyone knows the secret to getting this SS to work, drop me a line please.

To all others who are still struggling to obtain the correct ROM and OS9 install CD I can help you with those two items.

Right so i now have SS up and running(ish). The problem is, i cannot install the OS. IT says in the instructions above how to create a volume. I do that and it creates a folder. Nothing is being recognised when i try to install it, no disk at all!! I have created .dmgs in disk utility and converted them to all different types but i still cant install it.
Is there any way that i can do this??

I have gotten the os 9 onto the computer and I love that it works. However, when I try to run a few applications for my kids such as Bugdom or CroMag Rally everytime I try to run it the system always flashes and closes sheep shaver. Is there any way it could work. I know that when the programs changes the screen resolution or something it always stops working. Also I am unable to got sound for the operating system is ther anything that I can add to get the sound to work. In the GUI it is all turned on in the computer settings, however things still do not work. If anybody has any hints to get these programs to work that would be great. Thank you very much.

For those trying to install mac OS 9 I think i found a solution…I also got the flashing “?” when I first installed it from the CD on anew disk image using the preconfig pack floating around on the web (SSW2.zip). What I found was if I created a new disk image as “sparse” just like for transferring files (say 1 GB), then set it as the only volume and then boot from the OS 9 install CD (with a new world ROM) it worked perfectly! Now I have OS 9 runningg…now to figure out how to install apps on it!

btw those who need a generic Mac OS 9 if you can get a membership at torrent sites like demonoid.com they have ONE there (yes only one 9.0..rest are 9.2 or higher)…it still has seeds so get it quick!
P.S. I STILL can’t get disk images to work for transferring files (keeps asking to initialise it..when i say “yes” OS X no longer recognises the image aargh)…but at least the OS i working!

Here’s a way for file transfer I found on ambrosia bu I still get the “program that created the file cannot be found” error!

3. In the SheepShaverGUI application, choose to create another Hard Drive. It doesn’t need much space on it, just enough to transfer any files that you need. You can call it “Shared” or whatever you like and save to the same folder as your ROM and “HD” (the “Sheepshaver” folder)
4. Now open Sheepshaver again. It will ask to format the “Shared” drive that you just created. Let it do so. Shut down Sheepshaver when that is done.
5. Now navigate to your “Sheepshaver” folder. Inside, it should have both the original HD image and the new Shared hd (or whatever you named it). Please note: I do not mean the “Share” folder, as I said that is non-essential and I don’t use it. Right-click or File > Get Info on the Shared hd.
6. Under name and extension, add the end “.iso” (without quotes). Close the Info window. OS X will ask if you want to add the extention or not. Click “yes” or whichever button keeps the extention.
7. OS X now sees the Shared hd as a mount-able disk image. Open it and place a copy of the files inside the mounted HD disk image. Now eject the disk image
8. Return to “Get Info”, under name and extention, remove “.iso” from the end. OS X will ask if you are sure you to remove it; yes you do.
9. Now open SheepShaver again.
10. You should see the Shared hd as a Hard Drive on the desktop. Open it and drag files into your HD image. Cythera is now installed in SheepShaver.

You can use that method to transfer anything you want to from OS X to SheepShaver. Just be sure that you remove the .iso extention each time before you open sheepshaver

Hi,
I wanted to install and run SheepShaver – only, the link you give for a ROM which doesn’t need TomeViewer gives “file not found”.

I see there are various posts about ROM downloads, but haven’t really been able to sort out where I need to go to find a ROM which doesn’t require TomeViewer, to run Mac OS 9 (I understand it shouldn’t be 9.1 nor grater) or 8.

Can anyone help me?
Thank you in advance.
Sergio Allioni

When I run this I get no sound – it’s interfering with an app I want to run – any ideas? It gives me a Fatal error “Can’t create sound channels. Try increasing my memory partition in the Get Info box,” Tried increasing – no luck.

Can someone upload the ROM which does not require TomeViewer again?

I get the continual error:

SheepShaver error:
Invalid ROM file size. SheepShaver requires a 4MB PCI PoerMac Rom.

So far I’ve tried difference file sizes AND different ROMs.

Anyone?

I have a standalone CD installer of OS9.

I have gotten sheepsaver to launch and run the installer from the above CD. It starts the installation process, but sheepsaver always crashes just a minute into the 7 minute install.

I am using NewWorld 86 ROM

I am so close, but “no cigar”. anyone have any ideas? Is there another solution besides SheepShaver?

Hello, I just got Sheep Shaver to work great. I am having the problem of hearing sound. I cannot hear anything. I have a 2.33 Apple MacBook Pro 17” and if any of you have any tricks that would be great. Thank you very much.

I got the sound to work, now is there any way to do 3d gaming like cromag or bugdom or any of those old games. Thank you

Everybody who tried and failed or could not find ROM or CD, go NS
get the torrent file of .
COI (Classic-On-Intel) V4.0.1 “Chubby Bunny”

It is a stand alone sheepshaver with OS (in HD), ROM and setting included.
It works on Intel MAC as should work on OS-X.

I still could not work Office98 on OS-X.
Only the way run Office98 is on Windows 2000 SheepShaver, not linux or OS-X. How ironic!

Hi
SheepShaver works, it is excellent. My only problem is that i need to distribute Sheepshaver to a number of people and i don’t have enough original OS8.6 disks. How do i get about this? Can we use sheepshaver without the need of a OS disk?

I have tried to copy and burn to a new disk (and also included all my required applications, this saves HD space) and have managed to burn the disk as Mac OS Standard with Roman encoding, yet every disk i have burn does not work.

Does anyone know how i can burn a disk so that i can use them with sheepshaver?
I am on an intel i mac. I have access to a g5 imac with classic. I also have access to a ibook g3 running os9

PLEASE HELP.

I am using an intel mac and need Mac OS9 for Myst II. (Or, I guess I could eventually try OS 8 if I can’t get 9 to work…)

I have got the correct ROM, I have an OS9 disk (finally one that is not platform dependant), and I am able to run sheepshaver. I installed system 9 but can’t get it to start from the installed system folder.

I have a disk image saved in the sheep shaver that I called “Sys9virtualdrive.dmg”. The installer logs say all went well. I even went ahead and updated it to 9.0.4 It is a 600 mb disk and I set the memory to 512 mb….

But if I start sheepshaver without the system disk inserted, it gives me the flashy disk sign. I’ve tried changing the startup disk but it continues to insist on having the disk…

How do I get this working without the OS9 cd in the computer?

I just got the system to install (I realized I couldn’t use dmg files to install the system on, only to transfer files between systems).

So I’ve got OS 9.0.4 up and running on my intel mac but I can’t get Riven (Myst II) to run.

I created a dmg file, copied the files off the DVD onto the dmg file, dismounted the dmg file, added the dmg file it to sheepshaver using the gui applicaiton and started up sys 9 again.

I copied the files from the dmg file (which appeared as a hard drive) over to my sys 9 virtual hard drive but when I double-click on the application file, it says it won’t work because “Interface Lib–FSResolveAliasFileWithMountFlags” could not be found.

Is this because of the dmg file? I also tried creating another drive in sheepshaver and adding and removing the iso extension as Bruckwine suggested but I get the same problem….

Is there some way I can get the OS9 to recognize the Riven DVD?

Reniamatic,

In terms of getting system 9 to work without a CD in the drive, for me it was a matter of making sure I had made the virtual drive correctly. I had tried making it with disk utility and then in the GUI of shape shifter “adding” this drive. But you need to use the shape shifter GUI to “create” a virtual drive. I don’t know why the first time I tried to do this it failed (which is why I used disk utility instead) but it should be pretty straight forward how to make a drive (i believe it was in the volumes tab, I hit create, made the size of my drive 600 mb and then gave it a name and hit okay…)

Once you have your drive and sheep shaver is running, you will be asked to initialize the virtual drive (which should be the same size as the drive you made – though it will probably now be called untitled). After initializing the drive, you can then install system 9 on the virtual drive. Once that’s done, restart system 9, and it should no longer start up from the CD.

I’ve narrowed down my problems to two things I think:

1) DVDs are not recognized by my OS 9.0.4
—> Is there a driver I can get or something?

2) Quicktime 6 (needed to run myst II) does not install properly.

I wanted to try “updating” my quicktime using the quicktime update instead of installing quicktime 6 directly but I cannot connect to the internet. I set the TCP/IP stuff up in the TCP/IP control panel (ethernet, DCHP) and I receive ip address and router address and all that stuff from the server. I saved my settings and closed the panel. But I can’t actually load a web page or connect to the internet using software update or quicktime update. Any ideas here? Any steps missing to connect to the net in OS9?

Figured out the internet stuff (needed to choose shlib in the ethernet section of the sheepshaver GUI)

Now I’ll try to update quicktime…. and search for a system 9 DVD driver!

How in the name of Merlin’s Pants have people gotten 9.1 to boot, I installed it correctly, it tells me to reboot but then it just says “This Startup Disk does not work with the Macintosh, please find the latest installer” or something? And if anyone is having terrible trouble setting this babe up, search in GOOGLE for COI (Classic-On-Intel) 2.1. I uploaded to a site and u can download it fully organized and only 50mb (extracts to be waaaaay more).

Please tell how to install 9.1

B

the link to the non-apple ROM is gone. How do i get this ROM?

Final idea regarding using sheepshaver to play Riven… I dont know WHY I didn’t notice this before, but Riven specifies 9.1 or 8.1…. so my final thought is to give 8.1 a try. For some reason Sheepshaver (the PPC emulator) won’t recognize my 8.1 install disc… if I can only get 8.1 working I think this is my last and final chance!

Final idea regarding using sheepshaver to play Riven… I dont know WHY I didn’t notice this before, but Riven specifies 9.1 or 8.1…. so my final thought is to give 8.1 a try. For some reason Sheepshaver (the PPC emulator) won’t recognize my 8.1 install disc… if I can only get 8.1 working I think this is my last and final chance!

(I got 9.0.4 to recognize the DVD -saved it as a CD/DVD image but there are all these InterfaceLib errors)

can somone fix the missing mac os rom file. please hurry

Because I’ve tried all versions of MacOs that run on sheepshaver and can’t seem to get Riven to work (it seems to be a problem with quicktime), just wanted to let any Myst fans know that there are two projects trying to get Riven to run on intel macs:
http://www.devklog.net/rivenx/
http://fissure.sourceforge.net/

I need a list of DLLs for SheepShaver for Windows. It is a pain to download them one by one. Is there a complete package for the files?

Like most other people I am having the same issue with blinking floppy disc. Does anyone have a solution to this?

I have no access to a PowerPC mac, so I can’t get the ROM extracted. The link to the pre-extracted ROM is broken. Does anyone have a way to get this to work? I need it for only one simply little program.

Worked great for me! It’s all installed with internet sound and all! Got the original Mac OS 9 rom. If anyone needs help, ask me!

Is there any way to extract the ROM from an older comp? I have an old iMac Graphite (from ’99 I think) which I used tomeviewer on to get the ROM from that update 1.0, but when I got sheepshaver all booted up and popped in my CD (the software install that came with that old iMac) it said that the install couldn’t be run on this machine. I’m figuring that this either has to do with the ROM being tailored to OS 8.6, while my CDs have 9.0.3, or simply because my CDs are specific to my G4 iMac and this ROM was for G3 computers. Any ideas on what I can do? I think if I can just use the ROM from my iMac then I’ll be set, but I have no idea if I can do that. Or I might be totally wrong about this too….

I got the Mac OS Rom from the official 8.5 CD and got that accepted by SS GUI. I created an image called Classic using the GUI. Both files are in the SS folder in my Home directory. I have set the memory to 512. The 8.5 CD is in de drive. When I push the Start button in the SS GUI, SS starts up with a black screen, and immediately quits. When I change the option “Ignore Illegal Memory Access” in the SS GUI, SS starts with the black screen and remains that way until I do a Force Quit.
I tried this same install on my Macbook Pro Dual Core and on my Mac Pro 8-core. The result is the same. I am running 10.4.10.
Can anybody send me a clue on how to solve this ?

hi, this is a great site, but the link you have for the ROM that runs with Sheep Saver (that you don’t need OS 9 to access) brings up a “file not found”. i was wondering if there was another site i could go to for this ROM? thanks

Does anybody know how to run Water Race in OS 9? I’ve tried everything I can think of but SheepShaver crashes before you even get to the menu for the game.

I´m using an special application called Quickceph, developed for OS9 and classic.

It works only with a Rainbow EVE USB key (Dongle).

I know that there is a new version of Quickceph, but upgrading costs about 5000, a lot of money for just a very little improvement on the software.

Does anyone know how to make sheepshaver see the dongle?

Thanks

I need some serious help, here.

First off, where the hell can I even get the ROM image I need in the first place? That would be a good starting point. If anyone has what I need, would they kindly post it SOMEWHERE on the net? This would save dozens of us a severe headache!

Hi,

I also don’t have access to an older Mac to get the ROM file. I do own a copy of OS 9 and was told I can get the ROM file from the CD. Does anyone know where on the CD the file is?

The links to the ROM file that everyone here have posted don’t work.

Thanks

Hi All,
Just wanted to share my experience installing this software on my MacBook C2D running Leopard.
I used the ‘Software Install or Restore’ CD that came with my old G3 – these are easy enough to come by. The ROM file is on the CD inside the System Folder – just copy it in to the Sheep Shaver folder.
I created the disk image in SS GUI, allocated RAM, then proceeded with the install. This went fine, but once it was done and I booted up for the first time, it crashed. I scrapped the drive, created a new one, and this time I did two new things: 1) turned off ‘update apple hard disk drivers’ in the ‘options’ section of the OS install software. 2) set the root directory in SS GUI to my home folder 3) created the disk image on the root level of my hard drive. Now it works fine.

Hi,
I’m having trouble installing this software; I’m not a technical genius at all and am struggling to make it work, help would be greatly appreciated. I get to the step where you click “start” and it runs a window that is black, but I get an error that says that the ROM file is not supported… Help please:)

Can i run Mac Os 7 with this application and is it safe? I mean my bretty iMac can go broken..
(sorry for bad english)

why didn’t the “person” who thought up this idea implement and document it properly – including avoiding all the jargon entered above – these posts are the sort of thing I got a Mac to avoid. This has been a complete waste of time for me.

Hear, Hear, John Mackinnon !

However did you manage to express yourself so politely? My experience with SheepSaver gives me bile. A total waste of a very large amount of time.

Something is evidently working because I can boot up an old Powerbook back-up CD on my first generation Intel iMac 20″ but thereafter of course I cannot actually DO anything or work on any files and the applications will not run off the CD. But nonetheless, something is working.

I use the ‘newworld86.rom’ (obtained from the Apple site at the address posted here somewhere and unzipped with my Titanium Powerbook on OS9 to access the ROM itself).

It took an extreme amount of dedication and a fair amount of expense buying the wrong thing several times, because the stupid sellers were all too ignorant, before I FINALLY tracked down an expensive retail version of Mac OS 9.0.4. (So funny, $150 for an out-of-date-discontinued OS that I already have but cannot use because it has been cobbled by Apple to only work on the G3 Pismo that it was bundled with!)

I have ONLY been able to create the OS9 volume by selecting the Desktop as the destination. Once created I move it to the SheepSaver Folder. Trying to create the OS9 volume directly within the SheepSaver application folder merely produces a weightless generic icon. Attempts to install OS9 onto that are fruitless because the installation CD will not even see it.

Creating a .dmg within OSX’s Disk Utility produces a volume that is recogised by the installation process, however an install cannot be achieved.

So, back to the present and a status recap.

SheepSaver GUI appears to function, the CD is apparently valid and the ROM and the 1Gb (256Mb memory) SheepSaver created OS9 volume are both residing in the SheepSaver Folder and are both recognised by the installation process.

Inserting the Retail OS9 CD and clicking START in the SheepSaver GUI starts the CD up and the installation process begins. It reaches as far as twenty seconds of the installation progress bar and crashes.

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

How on Earth have the people who claim to have been successful in installing this emulator done it and WHY are NONE of them apparently able to explain clearly, lucidly, in normal people’s language and without all the speling mistakes HOW they have done it?

I am not the slightest bit interested in computer code or language or Console or Terminal. I simply want to use the computer – as I did in OS9 before it all started getting clever. Nonetheless, after ten years of using Macs and my natural tendency to open things up to see what is under the hood I do not consider myself computer ignorant.

Indeed, other people come to me to fix their Macs (and even their PC’s which I hate and know next to nothing about).

But I cannot get around SheepSaver. I am fortunate for the time being – until my Titanium Powerbook dies. Then I’ll be fckued like all you other frustrated folks on this message board.

This is for all those souls who have been trying in vain to get Mac OS9 to work on their Intel Macs using SheepSaver.

It is for all those who read the smug posts here from those who HAVE successfully installed it but then don’t bother to pass on any useful or comprehensible tips in a language that regular English speakers can understand. There are loads of loud statements here from loads of experts that make it all sound so easy but the number of posts begging for help are testament to the flakiness of this programme.

I have posted on my web server a zipped folder that contains: The SheepSaver Application, a Mac OS ROM that works and a step-by-step instruction sheet WITH accompanying screen shots of the whole process of installing SheepSaver AND Mac OS9 on your Intel Mac.

Despite all your doubts, it does actually work. It does NOT work at ” … blazing speeds …” as some would have you believe. If you are familiar with Virtaul PC then you will be familiar with this ‘version’ of OS9. But at least it mostly works and that is what we are all after isn’t it?

The address is:

http://grazer.free.fr./webstore/various/SheepSaverPackage.zip

Send me an email if you have questions (grazer@free.fr)

Good Luck all.

I have tried three times to post a message here to inform all those that are not getting any useful advice from this message board that I have prepared a package that guarantees a successful install and setup of Mac OS9 using SheepSaver.

Three times I have tried and the messages never get published.
What is the point of this message board? No useful information is published and any attempt to do so doesn’t get further than the censors.

They WANT to keep you in the dark.

Hi, I have an intel mac and I was excited to find your website. The only problem that I’m having is I don’t have another computer that can run Mac OS 9 so I can’t use the Rom that you posted from Apple, and your link to the other Rom doesn’t seem to be working. Any chance you could fix the link or send me the Rom? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Mike

MIKE,
Read my posts above. I have finally sussed it out and to help all those still trying to get it all to work have prepared a package with EVERYTHING you need to install SheepSaver AND Mac OS9 plus detailed step-by-step instructions in simple, normal english backed up with screenshots of the whole installation process.

I am certain you will find it straight forward. Give it a shot and report back.

404 on the rapidshare file, no ROM for this mac OWNER I guess. What a fucking ripoff that Apple would have it taken down and won’t let LEGITIMATE mac owners access such a vital piece of history.

I own and physically possess Macintosh software that I cannot use on my Macintosh that I own and physically possess because some blowhard at Apple’s Fashion department decided that old software wasn’t “cool” enough. Damnit!

Finally got it to work. Thanks to Graham for his tutorial, files, and e-mail help!

Make sure you use Mac OS 9.0.4, NOT 9.1. Also be sure you use a pristine disk image when you burn a CD. I got held up on this because I toyed with the disk image before burning it. Leopard’s Disk Utility works just fine for burning the CD.

Thanks graham, your tutorial worked very well. Next step…… getting Power Pete/”Mighty Mike” to run on it.

I had trouble installing Mac OS 9.0 from a retail CD (Sheepshaver crashed, disappeared, etc. from screen) early in the install process probably when the installer was installing disk drivers.

I used Disk First Aid on the Mac OS 9 CD to reformat the drive I wanted to install on, then the install proceeded normally.

I hope this helps someone.

I have had massive problems trying to get applications into SheepShaver intact. All suggestions I found on the internet didn’t seem to work. I was able to connect to a Mac OS 9 computer via Appletalk and Ethernet, and the connection lasted long enough to copy a couple small applications, and they transferred successfully. I found another workaround… if you have an AOL account. With AOL 5 installed in SheepShaver and on a Mac OS 9 computer (you can use a standard AOL CD install disk in SheepShaver to get AOL in there) you can e-mail yourself archives of the application files. Applications with files in the system folder or elsewhere on the HD will need to be e-mailed and installed by hand. But at least it worked. No doubt other archive and dearchive programs would work as well. If you don’t have AOL, you could take their one month free service offer for new subscribers if you’re that desperate.

Files seem to consistently come up as page icons with their corners turned down, but that can be fixed if you use ResEdit to change their Type and Creator codes to what they were originally (you can find out by opening the same or similar files on a Mac OS 9 computer).

I have had NO success getting a USB mass storage device (specifically SanDisk memory cards) to mount in SheepShaver, desipte suggestions of listing the disk in the Volumes section of SheepShaverGUI before launching SheepShaver. Ability to do this would be a BIG help. Anyone get that to work?

The program does crash a lot, fortunately just back to OS X, not rebooting the whole computer, but most of these crashes seem to happen when the program is interacting with things outside its environment, like screen resolution, or files on your OS X drive. Making improvements in its general stability would be nice.

Obviously there are quite a number of problems with this program, but it is a godsend for those who need that mission critical OS 9 app, or if you’re just a geek who likes to see what can be done. However, perhaps the biggest improvement would be providing more ways to link to external disks, and more reliably, so applications can be copied into it intact.

Maybe someone could consolidate all these posts into a FAQ file?

Bill
Bill222E@aol.com

Graham -
Thank you so much for your postings, where you gave the link to your website.

I tried several CD burning programs before succeeding in making one that SheepShaver would read. ImageBurner 2.0 did the trick.
http://homepage.mac.com/adg/ImageBurner/

I tried several methods for making hard drive images for use in SS. I found the easy way was to use the SS GUI to create a dmg, which I could mount in OS-X, where I could populate it. Then after demounting, I would launch SS and work with the new “HD”.

I am able to import folders from the OS-X file system (although they vanish from there) within SS’s Unix drive – but there are scary possibilities of damaging the host’s files. (?)

I am able to browse the web using IE5, and to connect to my host OS-x ‘s IP address.

One thing that I am still struggling with is sound. I’ve tried several different versions of ROMs and of SheepShaver, all with the same result. No sound. I get the error message about “sndhwutilitieslib–AudioNotify”. I’ve looked everywhere I can think of, and can’t seem to resolve this. I’m guessing it’s because SS thinks it’s a 9500 but with the G4 processor?

I would appreciate any clue yo may have on this sound issue. It would be nice to hear startup and error beeps in SheepShaver.

Best regards,
…Al

A few folks are having difficulty in making a bootable OS 9 CD from the dmg file in the SheepShaver Install package that I prepared and detailed about eight posts before this.

It is important to know that the dmg file IS the CD but saved in a transferable format.

Do not try to copy the files contained within the dmg file to a new folder or temporary partition or anything. The dmg file was made using OS X’s Disk Utility so use Disk Utility to reverse the process and make it back into a CD.

Open Disk Utility, drag the dmg file onto the left side window where all volumes are listed, highlight it and hit the ‘nuclear’ burn button top left.

Many folks are having lots of success with the package, which is gratifying, but there does seem to be a fly in the ointment. Although OS 9 etc. loads and boots up and behaves as one would expect mostly, there is no sound !

The Control Strip ‘Sound’ icon volume slider moves under the mouse but doesn’t change the volume and snaps back to zero as soon as the mouse is released. Attempts to open the Sound Control Panel brings an Error Message about a missing …”sndhwutilitieslib–AudioNotify”…..

Anybody else come across this and found a fix for it?

First off, thanks Graham for your efforts, I finally got the app running on an intel mac with leopard. Unfortunately, I’m running into the same problem regarding with the sound, it just doesn’t work and the sound icon defaults back to zero all the time for some reason I haven’t been able to figure out. Thanks again!

Graham -
I have sound!

At least, with these elements in combination:
The newworld86 rom from your setup.
The August 2007 version of Sheepshaver. (strange, only 736 kB; how can it be half the size of the other versions floating about?)
My Pismo laptop image, rather than your iMac image.

Can control the alert sound level, but can’t pull the main volume down from maximum. But that’s OK.

This while operating on my G4 FW800 dual-1.25GHz PowerMac under 10.4.11

Thanks for all your work.

…Al

New: I discovered this web page:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac/
which led to this downloadable:
http://macwp.com/files/SS-WP%201.1.zip
which contains a workable Sheepshaver with System 7.5 and WordPerfect as well as a variety of utilities. And, the sound works on that one too.

Okay everybody! I’ve got sound. It was a stupid little tweak that gave the sound. In the ‘Sound’ area of the Control Panels, select Output and then highlight Built-in. I had scanned through this all before, but I just didn’t click ‘Built-in’ because I thought that since it was the only option on that list it would be set as the default. But no, you need to highlight it. Hopefully this will work with Graham’s System 9 CD (iMac bundled). I ended up using a retail version of System 9.0.4 instead of using his bundled software.

Many thanks again to Graham for all of his hard work.

Folks,

I would strongly encourage anyone interested in using SheepShaver not to waste their valuable time with this application. Life is too short to mess about with this pile of junk.

I’ve tried using Sheepshaver this morning to run applications like Appleworks, Photoshop and Quark Xpress and, on each occasion, the application has suddenly crashed, sometimes when you’re loading data, sometimes when you’re just watching the pretty lights. Doesn’t matter which disc the data is stored on, crash. There is goes, back to the OSX desktop.

Help is minimal. Support is minimal.

My advice – if you want a Classic Mac, just buy one for pennies off eBay.

I’ll be cranking up my old OS9 machine this afternoon.

SS is by no means stable or user-friendly now and shouldn’t be used in a productive environment. The main flaws of SS is lying on memory management and sound, and there are a number of critical bugs.
Post from a Sheepshaver for Windows and PPC Mac OS X user.

FYI – If you get Mac OS 9 working, you still need to transfer Mac OS 9 applications over to the SS/Mac OS 9 environment. The problem is that Mac OS X sees Mac OS 9 applications as documents and thus SS sees them as documents too when it gives Mac OS 9 access to them.

There are two ways to get around this.

1) Burn a CD with Mac OS 9 applications on it. When SS reads CD into the Mac OS 9 environment, the applications are seen as applications and every thing works fine. Click and drag to your Mac OS 9 desktop or to virtual hard drive. (Warning: SS seems to hang or crash if a lot of external interfacing is done.)

2) Use ResEdit to modify file types. (Note: You have to use method #1 to get the ResEdit application into the SS/Mac OS 9 environment first.) Google for ResEdit to find a copy to download.
a) Launch ResEdit, and under the File menu, select Get File/Folder Info…
b) Open the file that you want to change into an application.
c) In the box labeled Type: just underneath the filename on the left, enter the four letter code APPL in all caps. (The few applications I have fixed for Mac OS 9 have all had Type: LPPA, which is APPL backwards. Must be Mac OS X’s way of rendering them totally impotent.)
d) Close the window which saves the data.
e) The file should be a launchable application now. (That is, if it originally was an application under Mac OS 9.)

It’s a shame those bozos at the now dormant ResExcellence website removed years of great resources and experience for Mac OS 9 and earlier.

As others have said, SS is a way to save old Mac OS 9 application data. Update, convert, or transfer to Mac OS X as soon as you can. In another 5 years, SS won’t be able to help and then Mac OS 9 data will be as ancient as Apple II disks. I have tons of old MacWrite Pro files (a great word processor in its day) that I plan on converting.

[Thank you Graham Hay for your SheepSaver package.]

I have had great fun with a stable emulator running system 7 (on osx) which was pieced together from the various links here: http://www.nothickmanuals.info/doku.php/minivmac?DokuWiki=38b0dcc5b21ee84d7fe84409c8092175

You’ll find everything you need. I could tweak and run any os version but the old b/w macs are great fun if you’ve not seen one running on osx it’s a great trick.

As for serious file conversions and older apps then I agree, buy an old Mac on ebay to do the job you need, or crank your laptop for Classic mode whilst running osx Panther or Tiger which frankly is pretty easy and stable. Intel is great but so is every Mac system ever made and it’s good to remind yourself sometimes of the great applications that we have lost and then find them again!

Hi, can anybody tell me how to get this Mac OS ROM file? Where can I find and download it? The link given in the article for downloading ROM is not valid! I don’t have access to Mac with OS 9 so I can’t extract ROM from Apple update file using TomeViewer. Please help!!

Well, I figured out a good way to transfer files, and make effective use of USB thumb drives and such, even though it seems Sheep Shaver can’t see USB drives directly.

Mount the USB drive on an old mac running pre- Os X. Use Disk Copy (in Utilities folder) to create a disk image the size you need, and save the file to the USB drive.
Mount the disk image
Copy to it the files/applications you need
Unmount the disk image
Unmount the USB device
Put the USB device into the computer running SheepShaver
Open SheepShaver GUI
Click on the Volumes Tab
Click Add
Navigate to the USB device (you may have to click on the Volumes folder on your main hard drive to see the mounted volumes)
Select the disk image stored on the USB device and click OK
Then launch SheepShaver, the drive should then mount on your Classic OS environment within SheepShaver like any other drive. You can then use this single drive to go back and forth between Classic os computers and SheepShaver, without loosing file type/creator or resource forks, using a USB mass storage device, via the image file on that device.

These steps may need some refinement, but I did get it to work, and it works quite nicely now.

for WOJTEKFF:
As for the ROM file, general searching on this page for ROM and on the web may also help find what you need. I forget where I got mine, but that’s how I found what I needed. I think I did end up using Tomeviewer on an older Mac.

If you want to share your e-mail address, I can try e-mailing you my ROM file.

Bill
http://members.aol.com/Bill222E

PS to the above,

You can probably create the image file within SheepShaver, saving it to the Unix drive, then copying the image to your usb disk, but I haven’t tried this.

I have SS installed on my iMac AL/20. It boots off the 8.5 Software Restore CD, but I cannot install the OS onto my ‘drive’ created in SS. The Drive I name iMacG6 (yes, for grins) and it shows up on boot into OS9 as “untitled.” I cannot get anything onto Untitled.

I’m d/l the SSPackage.zip now to see if that helps.

I’ve also noticed the screen paints rather slowly in SS. How sad.

I’m trying to decommission an iMac G3/233 but we have some games and PageMaker files we need to salvage first.

Where can I get a copy of the Mac OS ROM file?
I tried your link to the freely downloadable version but its a broken link.
The one provided by Apple is in .smi.bin format which can’t be extracted under Unix (I run OpenBSD).
Can someone please mail me a ROM?

Thanks.

Can somebody send me a ROM, please!Thanks.

Hello Everyone,
Posts should be short, I’ll try to be.

Amazing how active this page is, running a year and a half, and with many good comments and links. It was very helpful to me (so I’ll return the favor).

Many thanks to Gwenole Beauchesne and those who helped her develop and
refine SheepShaver. It is unreasonable for there to be any flames in this thread, the software is free, and yes, you will need some hacking skills to get it running (as if commercial software is problem free, or even freeware like the Linux distros).

I have some comments to help those having trouble.

1) The ROM in Mac_OS_ROM_Update_1.0.smi.bin from Apple does work, and is binary identical to ROMs found in the System folders of OS 8.6, variously known as newworld86.rom or MacOSROM86.rom iMac.1 PowerMac1.1 PowerBook1.1 MacROM for NewWorld.

2) Anyone wanting help needs to read this thread top to bottom (I did it over two days). This will remove redundant cries for help about files not found, etc.

3) I have considerable skills hacking, and it still took me nearly a week to get OS9 to boot on SS (took that long to get Basilisk II running, a day for miniVmac; I’m very meticulous).

4) For reference I’m a Windows person, but with the poor showing of VISTA, started using Debian, and now working with Mac emulators.

My “play” computer:
Pentium II 400MHz, 192MB RAM, Windows 2000 SP4
3 EIDE HDs, 1 SCSI HD, CRT monitor 24-bit color, 1024×768
On various partitions and HDs I have Win98, W2K, W2K, Debian; plus Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 running WinXP and various DOS, Win; VMware running Debian and other OSes.

5) So on one of my two Windows 2000 OS I have vMac, Basilisk II and now SheepShaver. I couldn’t get SS to boot with the newworld86.rom and a mounted ISO of OS 8, 8.5, 8.6, 9.2, nor with the 9.2 ROM (although now I know it won’t run anything over 9.04 – but who’s to know, but the 9.2 rom is RISC based). I was using SheepShaver 2.3-Pre (14.May.2006) from Gwenole’s site. The “pre” finally gave me pause, and I d/l’ed SheepShaver 2.2 (21.Mar.2005) and used the GUI from 2.3

This worked: OS9.img / newworld86.rom / MacOS RAM 64MB
Making new volumes is simple, tell SS to make one on your host hard drive, add it to the Volumes list and let SS format it. “My Computer” is an easy way to move programs about (host=W2K to guest=SS). You can mount HFS volumes in SS from Basilisk by adding them to the Volumes list in SS.

6) Later, I read in this thread that Al Cellier Jan 30th, 2008 used the August 2007 version of Sheepshaver and noted it was strange, only 736 kB. In fact, for the windows version, the executables are: SS2.3 – 630KB, SS2.2 1.32MB (seems Gwenole is tightening the code and compiling better).

7) That is an important lesson – newer isn’t alway better, and even number versions are more stable (at least in Linux).

So I’m having the same problem as the person above me. My mac is a “previous” model, meaning it’s from November 07, so it’s pretty new. I tried installing sheepsaver but then when I launch it (followed the directions and then hit “start,” it said that the RAM wasn’t right or something. :( I really really really want to play Power Pete/Mighty Mike, and other games too! Can somebody help me please? I saw the above post but I don’t know how to do all the things it’s talking about; I’m not computer-illiterate but I’m no tech either…..

I have uploaded another package that contains just the iMac Restore CD (without all the instructions and explanatory screenshots), but this time it is a Roxio Toast document. In other words it was created with Roxio Toast, not Mac OSX Disk Utility.

However, it can still be accessed by Disk Utility by changing the file suffix from .toast to .dmg.

I do not know if this will help Leopard users because I do not have Leopard to test it. I hope it can help you lot. You can download it from the following address (just click on it to start the download or, if the link does not work, copy & paste the address into your browser address field and hit ‘Enter’).

http://grazer/webstore/various/iMacRestoreCD-Toast.zip

Whoops. Disregard the previous post. The URL is incorrect.

I have uploaded another package that contains just the iMac Restore CD (without all the instructions and explanatory screenshots), but this time it is a Roxio Toast document. In other words it was created with Roxio Toast, not Mac OSX Disk Utility.

However, it can still be accessed by Disk Utility by changing the file suffix from .toast to .dmg.

I do not know if this will help Leopard users because I do not have Leopard to test it. I hope it can help you lot. You can download it from the following address (just click on it to start the download or, if the link does not work, copy & paste the address into your browser address field and hit ‘Enter’).

http://grazer.free.fr/webstore/various/iMacRestoreCD-Toast.zip

is it possible to run mac os 9 on asus eee pc?
It could be great.

I have used Macs for years but finding the instructions confusing. A few months ago purchased the Intel MacPro 3.2 GHz with 4 HDD’s & now Panther OSX 10.5.3. I have the OS 9 install disk, & the Mac OS ROM Update 1.0.smi file. I made a Toast disk copy of the OS 9 install disk. Even with both images mounted I can’t seem to get anything installed / to work. Is there any simple A-Z instructions about how to get this installed & working? Ideally I’d like to get SheepShaver with OS9 installed on one of my non-system drives.

Oops I meant Leopard, not Panther. And I have read through instructions here http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/sheepshaver/help

SheepShaver error: Cannot map RAM: File exists
OS 9 install disk in drive. Mac OS ROM Update mounted. OS9 disk image created & mounted. I can’t seem to sort this out. Be nice if someone who obviously knows could help. It seems once they get their problems sorted, it’s stuff everyone else. pfft I help out on forums daily with p2p tech issues. Be nice to get some return assistance. ;)

Graham,

Your first package worked fine for me under Leopard. I downloaded the OS 9.0.4 update from Apple and installed that overtop SheepShaver’s OS 9.0.4. This solved the problem that some other people were getting with the weird error when they tried to open the Sound Control Panel. However, in the sound output tab of the control panel, “Built-in” is not listed – in fact nothing is – so I’m still without sound.

Enabling/Disabling Sound Manager and Apple Audio Extension had no effect.

Lord,

My first thought is to make sure you don’t have more than 512MB of RAM set in the SS gui app.

If you’re using Graham’s package, then everything should work smoothly (except for no sound). I suggest completely removing SheepShaver and starting from scratch (sucks, I know).

I got SheepShaver all set up, filled out all the right settings in the GUI, my dad even checked it, but when i tried to play my game ‘Escape from Monkey Island’ a message comes up:

“Please make sure you are not running any application that takes exclusive control of your hardware.
Could not initialize your hardware.”

Nothing else is open on my computer, so what can i do to make it work, please help, i’ve been trying all day to play this game, thought i finally would be able but have been stopped at the last hurdle.

great advances to the SheepShaver’s OS community here:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5275

Thanks for the tip TJ, but it still won’t work, i downloaded the new Sheepshaver but it says i need a new a ROM file, so i tried adding one that was linked on the site you gave, but for one ROM the page no longer exists and the other one i download then it says it needs to be updated but you have to sign up and enter personal details before it will let you download which i don’t want to do. is there any other way around it.
I looked at the Hardware requirements on the game and i should have them all, apart from not sure about ’3D acceleration hardware’ could it be that which is stopping it from working?.
Thanks again

@ Becky…try Chubby Bunny…is Sheepshaver with out all the configuring…mac-on-a-stick is fun too…

how or where can i download it?

Try Google.

I am having exactly the same problem as Becky. Try as I might, I cannot get “Escape from Monkey Island” to work on COI Chubby Bunny (I couldn’t work out how to set up Sheepsaver, so that version made more sense) and I am getting exactly the same error message as Becky.

Any ideas?

Well, maybe I’m stupid, but when I click “Start” on SheepShaverGUI I always get the message “SheepShaver error: Cannot map ROM; File exists.” I have tried a New World ROM, a ROM extracted from Mac OS ROM Update 1.0, and the ROM from the system folder of an OS 8.6 installation disk. Always the same result. Can anyone help?

Actually, your article is wrong in saying you will show how to run “the classic environment”, because what you are doing with sheepshaver is actually running a complete version of Mac OS, wich the classic environment never was. In the classic environment you did not have access to Finder, but with a Mac emulator like sheepshaver, you get the whole experience of using the old Mac OS before X.